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    Default Pre-war losses of Gladiators in 65 Squadron

    Hello,

    I’ve spent a couple of days on my Christmas holiday to read L. Forrester’s very dated ‘Fly For Your Life’ about Bob Stanford Tuck.
    In this book, there are descriptions of two mid-air collisions. These combined with the info I have on my site at: http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/gladiator_raf_65.htm (mostly from Air-Britain’s ‘The K File’) gives following Gladiator accidents of 65 Squadron in 1938 (imagine the public out-cry of the loss of five service aircraft in one squadron during one year nowadays…):

    K7940 17/01/38 Collided with K8014 and abandoned, Mt. Ephraim, near Uckfield, Sussex; P/O R. Stanford-Tuck safe. Wreck to Kenley.
    K8014 17/01/38 Collided with K7940 and crashed near Uckfield, Sussex; Sgt Geoffrey Gaskell KIFA

    K7942 11/02/38 Collided with K8002 and abandoned 1m E of North Weald.
    K8002 11/02/38 Collided with K7942 and crashed 1m E of North Weald; pilot KIFA.

    K7939 11//04/38 Collided with K8029 during formation loop, landed OK; P/O R. Stanford-Tuck safe. ROS.
    K8029 11//04/38 Hit by K7939 during formation landing and abandoned at Hornchurch; F/O Leslie Bicknell safe

    Can anyone verify the date on the first accident? The K File gives 17/1 while ‘Fly for…’ gives 18/1.

    Pilots in the second accident?

    The date on the third accident? All accounts I have states that Tuck suffered the accident which scared him in the face in April while ‘The K file’ states the accident on 4 November (typo for 11 April)?

    Best wishes/Håkan
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    Errol's list gives two killed on the date of the second accident

    Plt Off Austin-Sparks P R Philip Ralph Killed 11 Feb 38
    Plt Off Mitchell L C Lawrence Clement Killed 11 Feb 38

    http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/showthread.php?t=314

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    Using info in 'Flight' and 'Air Britain'

    Austen Sparkes was flying K8002 and the pilot of the other aircraft, K7942 escaped by parachute.

    Mitchell was flying Blenheim, K7119 of 144 Sqn.

    Malcolm

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    Thanks for the help!

    /Håkan
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    Håkan,

    London Times of 18 Jan 38 reports the Stanford-Tuck/Gaskell collision occured "yesterday", so the 17th.

    Your second collision, P/O P.R. Austin-Sparks was killed, F/L L.C. Bicknell parachuted safely. P/O Lawrence Clement Mitchell was killed in the crash of a 144 Sqn. a/c at Oulton, near Aylsham during a snowstorm. Also killed in this crash were Cpl. G. Henderson and AC1 C.A. Smith.

    I found no mention of your third accident.
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    It's been a while since I last read "Fly for your life" but I seem to recall that Tucks aircraft crashed on a Nursery (Market Garden) by a building at Ridgewood Nr Uckfield. This was of particular interest to me as at the time of reading it I was living in Ridgewood. I was actually involved with a Self Build Group on this site in the 1980's. I remember the field and building well. The area is now Wares Road and I lived there for 25 years.

    https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=war...d+Kingdom&z=15
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    K7939 11//04/38 Collided with K8029 during formation loop, landed OK; P/O R. Stanford-Tuck safe. ROS.
    K8029 11//04/38 Hit by K7939 during formation landing and abandoned at Hornchurch; F/O Leslie Bicknell safe

    This dates is WRONG I have 100% confirmation (Daily Express November 5, 1938) this happened on 4th November 1938 NOT 11th of April 1938 Forester gets the date wrong in Fly for your life

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    Hello Paul,

    Thanks for this new info!
    I'll update my site accordingly asap.

    Best wishes/Håkan
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    Oops...seems that I've already corrected this a couple of years ago...sometimes it's better to check your own material before replying... ;-)

    //Håkan
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