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    Default Unaccounted airmen - 8-12-1941

    What were the places of death registration for:

    A - Killed on active service:
    AC2 Leonard A. ARNOLD - 1412625;
    AC2 George G. BAKER - 1419915;
    AC2 Trevor G. BEYNON - 1419889;
    AC2 Francis G. HASSALL - 1489047;
    LAC (Pilot) Edward McALLISTER - 1372895;
    AC2 Samuel H. NOAKES - 1456628 - age 32;
    Cpl (Pilot u/t) Kenneth P. SEXTON - 657841;
    LAC (Pilot u/t) Ronald J. SHEWARD - 657730;
    AC2 Felix W. WALTON - 1456610, and
    AC2 Leslie W. YEA - 1419775.

    B - Killed on active service (while engaged on non-operational flying duties or on the ground through enemy action):
    AC2 Arthur CRAVEN - 1417519 - age 32;
    AC2 Desmond L.J. EVANS - 1419886;
    AC2 Kenneth L. MUSGROVE - 1456819, and
    P/O (Pilot) Ralph G. PRIOR - 111128.

    C - Not found in Flight archives:
    AC2 John COSTIGAN - 1081535, and
    AC1 Alec C. POPELEY - 1101568 - 405 Sqn (Pocklington, Yorkshire).

    D - Also looking for the unit of:
    Sgt Robert A. HAMON - 1256292, whose name is commemorated on Panel 44 of the Runnymede Memorial.

    E - Proposed aircraft losses for this day:
    Lysander III - V9492 - 6 AACU - crashed in forced landing Alderley Edge, Cheshire.
    Lysander III - V9515 - 8 AACU - crashed in forced landing Bieri Farm, 1˝ mile SW of Llandridod Wells, Radnor.
    Oxford I - P8997 - 2 FTS - undershot landing at night 1 mile SW of Akeman Street.
    Oxford I - R6017 - 3 FTS - crashed on overshoot at night Bibury.
    Spitfire I - R6898 - 61 OTU - flew into ground Bramley, Hampshire.
    Tiger Moth II - N6938 - 7 EFTS - crashed in forced landing Wythall, Worcestershire.
    Tiger Moth II - T7918 - 28 EFTS - crashed on landing Meir.
    Magister I - L5964 - 16 EFTS - broke up in air and crashed into River Trent, Walton-on-Trent, Derbyshire.

    NOTE: Most of above-mentioned airmen may have been air raid casualties. It's known that on same day following airmen of 22 Recruit Centre (?), Whitley Bay, Northumberland, were killed in an air raid:
    AC2 Thomas C.R. CLEMO - 1415855;
    AC2 Francis D. HILL - 1419739, and
    AC2 Reginald SPRY - 1420220.

    Regards and thanks for your help.
    Henk.

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    Lysander V9492 was a non fatal accident, somewhere I have the crew details, the pilot was PAF with and RAF W/Op.

    December 8th 1941, “Force landed in Lysander V9492 at Alderley Edge, Nr Wilmslow. Pilot + wireless operator slightly injured.”

    Pilot Officer Prior was killed in Magister L5964.

    December 8th 1941, “P/O Prior crashed when a wing came off his plane over Burton at 12.30 hrs. His body has not yet been recovered as the plane dived into the river. His pupil LAC Morris had a lucky escape being thrown out when only about 100 ft up, his parachute opened just before touching the river, he then swam ashore dragging his parachute with him. Except for slight shock he is fit for flying again.”

    Prior's remains were not found until May 1942, he was identified by the identity card and leave pass in a pocket.

    May 21st 1942, “At 21.50 the body of an airman was received from the River Trent, presumed to be that of P/O Prior, missing believed killed in a flying accident on Dec 8th 1941, when the aircraft piloted by him fell into the river.”

    May 22nd 1942, “The M/O reviewed the body recovered from the River Trent and by means of Form 1250 in pocket of body established the identity of the corpse as P/O Prior.”
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    Hi Henk,
    First the exceptions!!
    McAllister,22, registered at Cirencester, Gloucestershire and the right area for R6107 at Bibury,
    Sheward,22, registered at Bilston, S Staffordshire (now it is virtually a part of Wolverhampton)
    Costigan,28, registered at Sleaford, Lincolnshire
    Arnold,33, Baker,19, Beynon,18,Hassall, 18, Noakes,32,Walton, 18, Yea,22, Craven,32, Evans,19, and Musgrove,19, are all registered in Northumberland South, the right area for Whitley Bay. Popely,25 is registered in Northumberland Central, which would be consistent with his removal and subsequent death. If Newcastle-on-Tyne was under attack, taking casualties to the North would be sensible and that is where the Central registration area adjoins Northumberland South.
    Prior,27 is registered at Shardlow, Derbyshire in the 2nd Qtr of 1942 and this would tie in with what Al has said about the late recovery of his body. I don't know if Shardlow matches the crash site but if Prior went into the R Trent he could have been carried some distance downstream
    The 3 that you already associate with an Air Raid,Clemo,35, Hill,18, and Spry,29, are all registered in Northumberland South, which lends support to the idea that the others registered there plus Popely were also Air Raid victims
    Regards
    Dick
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    Thanks Al and Dick for this excellent info.
    Regards,
    Henk.

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    I have checked and the registration district that covered Walton-on-Trent was Repton which means Prior must have been recovered from the river some distance from the original crash location.

    I would estimate the distance along the river to be around 10 to 11 miles to get into the Sharlow area (at Barrow upon Trent) with Shardlow covering at least 12 miles of the river to just east of Long Eaton.
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    Hi Al
    Have you ever come across a map of the registry districts during the war years? The Office of National Statistics displays one for 2003 but it would be useful to see where they were in WW2,
    Regards
    Dick

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    I have not seen a map but it is possible to use the list of parishes assigned to each district to make a map.

    The main index is at the following http://www.genuki.org.uk/org/PageStats/counties/regpl/links.txt
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    Thanks Al
    Regards
    Dick

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    Hi Henk,

    1256282 Sgt Robert A HAMON 8-12-41 Runnymede Mem
    RAF Overseas War Deaths 1939-1948 lists units as 7404 Met Flt
    Which I beleive to be 1404 Met Flt ?

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    Thanks Mark.
    Brian/Peter: please advise.
    Regards,
    Henk.

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