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    Default Hudson FW138 - lost 6 Nov 1943

    Hudson FW138, flown by F/Lt. William Lionel Halperin (RCAF C/4234) of 45 Air Transport Group, disappeared en route from Goose Bay, Labrador, to Reykijavik, Iceland, on a ferry trip. Lost were F/O SJ Hansen (RAAF) and F/L DJ Pyne (RAF) also KIA.

    Is there any chance of finding more information on this flight or is that about as much as can be expected on a mid-ocean crash?
    David

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    Hi David, from my own experience it is quite a lot.
    In most cases like this there is not possible to get more.
    Have checked the very useful book Ocean bridge: The history of RAF Ferry Command by Carl A Christie? If not I will do it in the evening for you but I think there will be no more details.

    Pavel
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    Thanks Pavel, if you could check that book, I'd appreciate it.

    Any suggestions, anyone, on how I can enlarge my focus on this incident? Say, a look at the unit's a/c shipments for that period or where the a/c was going to wind up? How were a/c assigned to squadrons once they arrived?

    When I eventually get to Ottawa, what records should I look for regarding a/c histories?
    David

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    Dave,
    Give Ragnar a shout. He may know something!
    HTH
    Peter Davies
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    We might not know - but we might know who does!

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    Skipper of the Hudson was the Polish F/O Aleksander MONKIEWICZ - PAF P.1569, commemorated on the Polish Memorial at Northolt.
    Regards,
    Henk.

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    Hi chaps,

    first of all I would like to mention that according to the Ocean Bridge and RAF serials FW138 was Mitchell II and not Hudson!
    No more details about the place, only in Ocean Bridge full names:

    Captain - the same as Henk - F/O Aleksander MONKIEWICZ, PAF
    2nd pilot F/O Derrick Joseph Oswald PYNE, RAF
    Navigator F/L William Lionel HALPERIN, RCAF
    Radio Officer F/O Stewart James HANSEN, RAAF

    Hope this helps you a little

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    Agree Pavel, Mitchell instead of Hudson; was mislead by #1 message of the thread.
    Regards,
    Henk.

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    Thanks guys, I will recheck my notes. My source may have it wrong. If so, I will advise.
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    Hi David,

    On this site ( http://home6.inet.tele.dk/ron/greenland/crash_list.htm ), the following is mentioned:-

    Greenland Air Crash[sic] 1942-1945.

    Date: 6.11.1943
    Location: 61.08N - 45.22W.
    Plane: North American B-25 Mitchell II (FW138).
    Note: Royal Air Force. Damaged by storm during stay on BW1, Greenland.

    Make of it, what you will.

    Regards,
    Col.

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    Thanks Col. That sounds like it might be the one (those are the coordinates for Reykjavik Airport) but it's not clear from the added note whether this was a loss or just an accident report? Perhaps this is one of a series of a/c that went through there and someone got the s/ns mixed up?

    Ragnar says he has nothing other than the plane was lost between Goose Bay and Iceland. He was asking for the crew, so thanks to all for that and I will forward it to him.

    (He also very helpful off-board about my other "Hudson" and I will note that on the other thread!)
    Last edited by dfuller52; 10th January 2009 at 13:01. Reason: corrected spelling
    David

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