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    Default Lost at sea? Lt Garand 20.05.44,Ferry Command

    I am looking for information regarding the disappearance of our uncle Gerard Garand, Lieutenant of Regiment de Montmagny, presumably with 45 Group of Transport Command. He disappeared May 20, 1944 presumably in Greenland, and the family has never received information regarding the circumstances, his presumed position, etc. Is there anyone who could help us in the right direction, where to search for information. Any information will be deeply appreciated.
    Sincerely, Fridtjov and Chantal, chantalgarand@c2i.net

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    Hello there,

    interesting question.

    I have checked my copy of Carl A Christie's book Ocean Bridge The History of RAF Ferry Command and for that date and around that date there is no mention of Lt. Garand. Christie lists all known (to his reasearch) aircraft losses and their crews.

    A Mosquito was lost in Grand Lake Newfoundland on May 20th but its a two seater and the crew were R Adkison and P F Zyvitski, American and Canadian civilian contractors of the Command.

    The fact that Lt. Garand was an Army officer I would be very doubtful he would be on a FC aircraft unless as a passenger. Using this other search engine
    http://www.hut-six.co.uk/cgi-bin/search39-47.php
    no other men from that regiment were lost that day althought they might be recorded under different titles.

    The good news is that you should be able to obtain his service record from the Canadian National Archives,
    pop off a letter or fax to:
    Personnel Records Unit,
    Library and Archives Canada,
    395 Wellington Street,
    Ottawa,
    ON K1A 0N3
    Fax: (613) 947 8456

    http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogie/022-913.001.03-e.html

    Ask for Lt. Garands records and you ought to get them within a few days or weeks, it will be of interest to you. Of course if you can visit them in person that might reduce their workload a bit. It should answer your questions.

    Canadian Forces in World War II By Rene Chartrand, Ronald Volstad (found via Google book search)
    list the Regiment de Montmagny as a reserve, Militia or Volunteer Unit, mobilised in March 1942, Served in Newfoundland only and was demobed in September 1944. They appear to have lost four men during the duration of the war.

    I can;t get his name to appear on the newspaper records of the Candian War Museum.
    http://www.museedelaguerre.ca/cwm/index_e.aspx?DetailID=18822

    I would note that no service number is given for him, for this same date a Chaplain, GAUTHIER, The Revd. JOSEPH A. P. E. is also listed on the Halifax memorial, their loss might be related, no service number is given for Gauthier either.



    regards

    Dennis
    Last edited by dennis_burke; 10th January 2009 at 13:33. Reason: Added information on regiment, added a missing link.
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    Foreign Aircrew and Aircraft Ireland 1939-1945
    www.ww2irishaviation.com

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    Hi Chantal,

    I just went though the same search for some of my fellows and was told there's not going to be much available regarding crash site if he was lost at sea. However, I was also pointed to the very helpful RAFC member Ragnar, who is the specialist on the Iceland ferry route. You can reach him off list by checking his member profile.
    Last edited by dfuller52; 10th January 2009 at 12:57. Reason: added words
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    Fridtjov and Chantal:
    Your uncle's Ferry Command aircrew assignment card should be on file at the Directorate of History and Heritage in Ottawa. It will contain a list of all his ferry and return flights/passages, including aircraft types and serials, and likely including the start of the one on which he was lost though not the details of the loss. There is usually a photo attached too.
    Regards:
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    Fridtjov and Chantal:
    I missed the point that your uncle was an army officer so very likely my last will not apply. If you find out who the other crew members were, you would of course be able to obtain their assignment cards.
    Regards:
    Robert

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    Default Lost at sea? 20.05.44, Lt Gerard Garand

    Thanks to everyone taking time and effort in helping us to solve the puzzle regarding the disappearance of my uncle Lt Gerard Garand, may 20th 1944.
    According to my father, the only piece of information given to us by the authorities was that he was not on duty while disappearing somewhere at or near Greenland. I do not know why the family had to be given this piece of information only. It certainly did not contribute to heal the wounds from which my father never recovered.
    We are still convinced he was a pilot . Indeed was Regiment de Montmagny an infantry unit but we believe that his rank of lieutenant at 24 was obtained because he became a pilot. Furthermore, I have always heard my father say that his brother was a pilot.
    Agin thank you so much to everyone. I will certainly follow your advice and keep you posted
    Truly yours
    chantal Garand

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    Chantal:

    If you do decide to try the Directorate, they are at:

    Directorate of History and Heritage
    National Defence Headquarters
    Stacey Building
    2429 Holly Lane
    Ottawa, Ontario
    K1A 0K2

    I did have an email contact- will post here if I can find it.

    Good luck!
    Robert

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    On 20 May 1944 Canso 9773 of 5 (BR) Sqn, RCAF, failed to return from depth charge practice after take-off from Torbay, Newfoundland. One of the four passengers was a Lt. G. Garand (Army). Later discovered that the Canso carried 50 lbs dynamite and unserviceable pyrotechnics for disposal. On 30 May 1944 funeral service held for RC personnel and 3 June 1944 memorial service for Prot personnel. This info comes from 5 (BR) Sqn diary.

    I have not requested this accident report but it should be available at Library and Archives Canada.

    Darrell
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    Darell,
    You have just solved a mystery which has been in my family for 65 years but it raises a question. Why would the army tell his pregnant wife and the rest of the family that my uncle was not on duty when his plane disappear?? that he was flying for pleasure when he went missing??? When I started these research, all I knew was that his plane went missing somewhere in Greenland. That is why I assumed that he was part of ferry command operation. It seems he was not. It took this forum 2 days to give me an answer which my family has been waiting for in so my years. Thank you. Thank you. Now, I only have to find his son, with whom we never had contact, and let him know.
    Chantal Garand

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    Seven airmen were killed and four passengers, one of them even a Chaplain, The Reverend Joseph A.P.E. GAUTHIER. The aircraft was lost over the Conception Bay off Cape St.Vincent, Newfoundland.

    Henk.

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