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    Default Miscolo/Miskolc Losses 22/23/8/1944

    Hi All,

    On 22/23/8/1944, No.205 Group dispatched 64 a/c. to the Miscolo (?), (Miskolc?) Rail Yards in (Hungary?). There were 3 reported losses. Could someone (Henk?), please identify these losses?

    TIA,
    Col.

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    The following possible crews are buried in Budapest War Cemetery

    31 Sqdn - 31 SAAF Squadron I assume
    Hobden H N, Beswick N, Evans R A SAAF, Hopping-Mills E V SAAF
    Graves, 1A8, 1A9, 1A7, 1A6 resp.

    37 Sqdn
    Guy W E, Brown R, Smith F, White E R, Westlake V W SAAF
    Coll Grave II A3-5, IIA2, IIA1

    40 Sqdn
    Griffiths F W, Bonnett L F, Vicary R F, Haagner S B SAAF
    Coll Grave II B8-10

    Some names missing I guess from the search I did but I'm sure you'll prob have the correct answer by the time I post this.
    Dennis Burke
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    For the 31 SAAF Sqdn aircraft

    http://www.saafa.co.za/copy/newsletters/national/national1st2006.pdf

    31 SQUADRON SAAF
    Stefaan has had a request from Hungary. Can we help him?
    The crew was from a 31 Squadron Liberator Y EW261 that was shot down by night fighters while on the way
    to bomb marshalling yards at Miskolc. It crashed near the town Eger. The crew was Capt FC Serfontein
    (POW), Lt RA Evans (K), Lt EV Hopping-Mills (K), Lt JR Colman (POW), Lt A Oosthuizen (safe), F/Sgt HW
    Hobden RAF (K), Sgt J Tumelty RAF (POW) and Sgt N Beswick RAF (K).
    The story is as follows:
    I am Hungarian citizen and living in Budapest. Could you help me about a SAAF Liberator, which was
    crashed in Hungary in the night of 22 August 1944 near Poroszlo village? The captain's name was F.C.
    Serfontein.
    My father was a gendarme commander. The impact point of Liberator was belonged to his gendarme post.
    He collected the living crew and he gave them hospitality by a grand piece of bacon, bread and 2 litre
    original Hungarian brandy! The atmosphere was friendly, so my father got this photo from one of AF person.
    My father believed, that crew was from United States, because he did not speak any word English! Sorry,
    but neither my father nor I did not know about the further lot of the crew. A military car arrived from Eger or
    Miskolc and carried them. I hope the crew luckily returned to South Africa!
    I would be very happy if I found him or anybody from family!
    Best regards, Dr. Bela Szekeres (64, pensioner)
    Dennis Burke
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    And 37 Sqdn

    http://natureonline.com/37/18-op8.html

    No. 37 Squadron Wellington ME956 "R" captained by Lt Westlake failed to return from operations after being shot down in the vicinity of Budapest. There were no survivors. The crew of Wellington "R" were:
    Lt. V. W. Westlake, SAAF - pilot, age 21
    Sgt. William Edward Guy, RAF - navigator, age 23
    Sgt. Frank Smith, RAF - wireless operator, age 20
    P/O Eric Ronald White, RAF - air bomber, age 22
    Sgt. Roy Brown, RAF - air gunner, age 22
    Dennis Burke
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    Dennis,

    The 40 Sqn loss you qoute, was in fact, lost on 21/22 August,1944, attacking the Szony Oil Refinery, Komarom, Hungary.

    Wellington X LN652 'S'
    No.40 Squadron RAF
    F/o. J.Barnett +
    Lt. S.B.Haagner SAAF +
    Sgt. L.F.Bonnet +
    Sgt. R.F.Vicary +
    W/O. F.W.Griffiths +

    See:
    Sweeping the Skies:A History of No.40 Squadron,RFC and RAF, 1916-56
    Gunby,David
    Auckland:Pentland Press,1995.
    pp.271 & 379.

    Col.

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    All this was new to me; thanks friends.
    Regards,
    Henk.

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    Default Re Crash in Hungary request for Stefaan

    Dennis
    There is a whole chapter devoted to this mission & the fate of the crew in Lawrence Isemonger's "The Men who went to Warsaw" If I had this man's address[or Stefaan'S address] I could photo copy the pages or scan & send/email to either.It won't scan or p/c that well because of the binding in the middle but most of the story will be readable .

    I can also copy this query to yahoo saaf news & the SAAFA newsletter as well as ask contacts in South Africa .

    Serfontein died in 1973.

    Anne

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    Anne,

    thanks, I was only posting it here for Col in response to his request,

    the request comes from teh SAAFA magazine
    http://www.saafa.co.za/copy/newsletters/national/national1st2006.pdf

    There is a contact email address in the pdf file for the man.
    Dennis Burke
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    Dennis
    Yes I understand & your reply to Col answers his question

    The 2006 saafa news request has probably been answered & I realised I knew Stefaan.He will know about The Men --book .

    Regards
    Anne
    Last edited by aestorm; 16th January 2009 at 16:36.

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    Dennis,Henk & Anne,

    Thanks for your contributions.

    Dennis, I found the pointer to the MacIsaac/37 Sqn. material particularly useful. Once again, thanks for that.

    Col.
    Last edited by COL BRUGGY; 17th January 2009 at 00:28. Reason: minor correction

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