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    Default Aircraft Collision 17(P) AFU Calveley or RAF Wrexham Aug 43

    I wonder if anybody can help me. I have a letter dated 3rd September 1943 from a
    F/Lt J P McBride at RAF Wrexham to the Chief Instructor, Training Wing, 17 (P) AFU
    Calveley.

    It relates to items that were not filled in correctly for the monthly returns for August (so
    I assume this is the RAF Wrexham ORB), and although most relates to flying times and movements, there is an interesting note that reads:

    Section 4
    The accident involving two aircraft captained by F/O Sancha and F/S Pierce was counted
    as being two - the correct figures should read 4 and 1 respectivley.

    I was wondering if anybody might be able to tell me the date of the collision (I assume it
    relates to a collison), or which aircraft were involved. I was also wondering if the 4 and 1
    relate to the number of casualties in each aircraft.

    Any help would be great.

    Johnnie

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    Can find only two instances of a collision between 17(P)AFU aircraft following their move from Norfolk.

    The first, on 11-Jun-43 involved Masters AZ733 & DL218, but seems too early to be your incident

    The more likely is a collision that occurred on 11-Aug-43 between Masters DL195 & DL405 at Wetton Hall Green, Cheshire (as per AB, although cannot find location on OS map; I suspect it is in/near Tarporley). DL405 survived the collision

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    Probably confusion with Wettenhall, which is indeed near Tarporley.

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    Thanks for the information. I don't suppose anybody has a list of the crew involved?

    I am still a bit confused by the section where it states "the correct figures should read 4 and 1 respectivley" as I assumed there had been 4 casualties in one aircraft and 1 in the other. If this was the case I guess we would be looking for another accident as I didn't
    think it possible to get 4 people in to a Master.

    Johnnie

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    I have the location as Wettenhall Green, Crewe 118/6260

    regards

    DaveW

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    Perhaps the figures relate to the number of aircrew/personnel involved (even if uninjured) and the number of incidents (1)

    If (as seems the case) the returns relate solely to Aug-43, there are no other likely contenders for an alternative loss, as the loss of T8505 on 18-Aug and of DK945 on 20-Aug appear to have involved no other aircraft

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    Thats a very good suggestion. I hadn't even thought of that!

    Now to try and find out the names of the pilots of the aircraft. Is there a station
    or unit ORB at Kew?

    Johnnie

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    The No.17 (P)AFU / FTS ORB is broken up into sections with some time periods missing. I have the section from September 1943 to early 1944.
    Alan Clark

    Peak District Air Accident Research

    http://www.peakdistrictaircrashes.co.uk/

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    Hi Al

    Do you have the ORB for April 1943 as well? I'm looking for information on in intake just prior to 17 (P)AFU's move from Watton to Calveley.

    Thanks
    Steve
    41 (F) Squadron RAF at War and Peace, April 1916-March 1946
    http://brew.clients.ch/41sqnraf.htm

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    AUS410815 Sgt Durward Compton PORTER RAAF, was on board Master DL195. Others involved, which I cannot allocate to an aircraft, were: 122240 P/O Carlos Lewis SANCHA, F/O D C SHEPPARD (possibly, 118951 F/O Douglas Glyn SHEPPARD) and 959500 F/Sgt J H PIERCE.

    You would need to get this doc digitised, if you want the full facts:

    http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/ItemDetail.asp?M=0&B=1077177

    See: Item Notes.

    Col.

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