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    Default Position of RCAF Crewmember 35 Sqd TL-R?

    Hi All,

    I am trying to ascertain the position of crewmember F/SGT Alan Delamere Hutchison 108547 (NOT Hutchinson...this is a mistake in Chorley etc.), who became a POW when his Halifax from 35 Squadron TL-R HR799 was shotdown on the 21/22June 1943 while on Ops to Krefeld.

    Chorley sums up the crew in the following order....would it be possible to ascertain the positions from the way this has been summed up...???? (as in 1. Pilot, 2. Nav, 3. Bomb Aimer, 4. W/OP.....etc?)

    P/O W.H.Hickson RNZAF POW
    Sgt H.J.Krohn RAAF +
    Sgt F.S.Maltas POW
    F/Sgt A.D.Hutchinson RCAF POW
    Sgt P.N.Croft POW
    Sgt J.H.Graham RCAF POW
    F/Sgt W.G.L.Brown +
    Sgt J.F.Dowling POW

    Regards,

    Chris

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    Chris,
    Only an idea, but on looking at the format of Chorley's Halifax crews listed, it's possible he was an Air/Bomber, hopefully someone might confirm later.

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    Hi Alan,

    I have a hunch he might be a bomb-aimer. Just found out that Sgt Krohn was a second dickey pilot, so Hutchison would be the third in line....pilot, (2nd dickey), Nav, BA...???

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    I have a whole bunch of his POW letters and telegram...but these don't give any position away Just in case it might help anyone PM me for a pic. (tried thumbnailing 'em here, but doesn't work)

    Cheerio,

    Chris
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    Hi
    Chorley tries to use the same format for the Heavy bomber crews but acknowledges that it is not always possible to be certain. If Krohn was a pilot then Maltas would be the Flt/Eng.Hutchison,Nav, Croft, Air Bomber/Bomb Aimer, Graham W/op, and Brown and Dowling the Gunners. If you have Chorley look in the Introduction of any Vol. where he explains this.
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    Hi Guys,

    Just came across this thread.

    My grandfather W H Hickson was the pilot

    P/O W.H.Hickson RNZAF POW - Pilot
    Sgt H.J.Krohn RAAF + - 2nd pilot not part of the "normal" crew
    Sgt F.S.Maltas POW - Flight Engineer
    F/Sgt A.D.Hutchinson RCAF POW - Navigator
    Sgt P.N.Croft POW - Bomb aimer/navigator
    Sgt J.H.Graham RCAF POW - Wireless operator
    F/Sgt W.G.L.Brown + - Rear Gunner (nicknamed "Maxie")
    Sgt J.F.Dowling POW - Mid upper Gunner (should be Dowsing)


    Hope this helps. Grandad writes of when the crew first came together at 24 OTU Flying Whitleys...

    “Well had all marched in separately, of course, to Honeybourne. The Whitleys had a five member crew so it was there that I teamed up with Alan Hutchinson (Hutch) as the navigator, Pat Croft, bomb aimer, Alfie Potiphar, rear gunner, and Jimmy Graham as the wireless operator/air gunner. So that made the five of us at that stage.

    “Hutch was Canadian from Toronto, Ontario, and Jimmy Graham was also Canadian from Fort McCloud in sunny southern Alberta. Pat Croft was from the midlands. I don’t know where Alfie came from, I think he might have been a Londoner. I can’t remember the details of how we got together but we slotted in with each other and it seemed to work. I really can’t recall any big deal about it.

    Hope this helps. I can probably provide more info if there is anything inparticular you are after

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    Hello Mr Hickson,

    I could put you in touch with MR W.Peeters who have a huge amount of information about your Grandfather's a/c and crash in Holland, but he have no access to internet. Also I was told that he still have a flying boot of your granddad. I will visit him soon and I shall try to became the info for you. Maybe you could contact me off board on a.zantvoort2ATupcmail.nl

    Sorry Goofy to "break in" into your thread, but the info could be very interesting for you as well.

    Regards,
    Adrian

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    The perceived order of crew (for Lanc/Halifax 7 members) is:
    Pilot
    Flight Engineer
    Navigator
    Bomb aimer
    Wireless Operator (and front gunner)
    Mid Upper gunner
    Pear gunner and finally
    Any specialist (Airborne Countermeasures etc)
    although it is not always possible as some crew members interchanged or if one was sick and a replacement came in, not always as a straight replacement.

    Lancaster: What a remarkable chance that you know of a personal item from one of the crew. Perhaps it is worth arranging a meeting person to person.

    This is where the power of the internet and a forum such as this is worth its weight in gold.
    I look forward to seeing how this progresses!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinW4 View Post
    The perceived order of crew (for Lanc/Halifax 7 members) is:
    Pilot

    Bomb aimer
    Wireless Operator (and front gunner)
    Mid Upper gunner
    Kevin,

    This should read:
    Bomb Aimer (and front gunner)
    Wireless Operator

    Errol

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    Quote Originally Posted by lancaster View Post
    Hello Mr Hickson,
    Also I was told that he still have a flying boot of your granddad. I will visit him soon and I shall try to became the info for you. Maybe you could contact me off board
    Thanks Adrian, i'll send you an email in the next couple of days.

    The boot was ripped of by the slipstream as he exited the aircraft - from then on to the locals who saw him and helped him evade he was called "the man with one boot"

    He was able to evade with the help of the Dutch underground and got as far as north as Apeldoorn, where on the 6th of August (having been shot down on the 21st of June) the group he was with was captured - having been compromised by an underground member.

    The were shot down by a night fighter flown by Gunter Radusch, and not flak as is reported in several places online.

    He then passed quickly through various prisons before ending up in Stalag Luft III.

    My father is currently collating Grandads stories and those of the crew which we have collected over the years - thus I do have access to more information, but i'm always interested to find out more - particularly photographs etc which are few and far between.

    My grandfather has been back to meet with several of the people in the area over the years, but is now probably of an age where it is not possible to travel to the other side of the world again (from New Zealand)

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