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    Default 101 Sqdn - Alfred James Clayton 1811224

    Dear all,

    My wife's uncle, Alfred James Clayton was a special duties operator with 101 squadron who was shot down and killed on the night of the Nuremburg raid on the 30th/31st March 1944 with 5 other members of the crew in a Lancaster III LM463 SR-K. Only the Pilot, A.E Lander (RNZAF 422293) and the regular W/op W.G Clapp (1602121) survived as mentioned in the books by Martin Middlebrook and Sean Feast. I have some good research info and the ORB details including details of the crash site in Dillenburg.

    We would really like to find out some more information on the other crew members, contact details, anyone that may know of him (especially during training) and any photos which may have been taken during his service periods. He was at 19 initial training wing 15/3/43 to 3/4/43 (location unknown), aircrew recruitment centre 3/4/43 to 17/6/43 (location unknown), 2RS Yatesbury 17/6/43 to 21/12/43, 2(o) AFU (Millom) 21/12/43 to 22/2/44, 11 base (think its Lindholme) 22/2/44 to 10/3/44 and then posted to Ludford Magna. We only have 1 photo so any group shots or contact info would be appreciated. Both organisations at Millom and Yatesbury are looking through their records for us.

    The other crew members were A.O.Johnston 1851675 F/E, M.G.Hutchinson NZ.416862 Nav, R.L.Cato NZ.42828 B, C.R.Parkinson NZ.425467 R/G and E.G.Johnson 1036704 M/G. As can be seen most of the crew were from the RNZAF but maybe someone knows of the RAF crew.

    Does anyone know how I could get hold of the debriefing notes (if they exist) for Lander and Clapp when they returned after the war from being POW's or could anyone have met Lander or Clapp as a POW and talked about the crash? We heard that A Lander died during the 70's from Rob Davis (don't know of his source) but no details of W Clapp. Rob Davis has provided me with all the information he has to date.

    I hope someone can help but thanks for taking the time to read this,

    Paul Elliott

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    hello,

    The PoW questionnaires are to be found in the WO344 series in TNA, Kew. But usually, they don't give details about the circumstances of the loss of the plane. But these questionnaires will give you some details, first names, service number, date of birth, wartime address. So this may be a good clue to start trying to locate them or their next-of-kin.

    When I'm home, I'll give you the full references, unless someone else does it before.

    Another source would be the K report. There's a list of them in a section of this board (click on RAFcommands.com at the bottom of the page. Check with the serial number of the bomber.

    At last, there's a very remote possibility that one of them filed a 'liberation' report, if he was free for a while, before being captured. This would be in the WO208 series in Kew. Alas, not all the liberation reports are indexed.

    Hope this helps

    Joss

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    Hi Paul

    Are you sure you mean Aircrew Recruitment Centre rather than Aircrew Reception Centre which was at Regents Park, London

    19 Initial Training Wing didn't form until 20/3/43 but was at Bridgenorth

    Cheers

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    hello,

    Lander's PoW questionnaire, if it exists, should be in WO 344/178/2 (which covers Lancaster to Lanfear)
    Clapp should be in WO 344/62/2 (from Chubb to Claring-Bould).

    There's an entry in "For your Tomorrow" by Errol Martyn who is a regular contributor here. His series of books is dedicated to New-Zealanders who have died with the RNZAF and allied air services since 1915, on page 206 of his volume 2.
    CATO and PARKINSON are said to be on their second ops, with HUTCHINSON with a question mark about 2.
    In his volume 3 he mentions that HUTCHINSON was posted to the Squadron on 15th March 1944, 2 ops ?
    He was posted to No. 11 OTU on 24th August 1943 (where he crewed up), then to 1651 HCU (on Stirlings) on 26th November 1943, 11 Base for No. 1 Lancaster Finishing School on 28th February 1944. This is where A.J. CLAYTON joined them, as the SDO.

    We used to have a regular contributor who is very knowledgeable on No. 101 Squadron, but he hasn't been around for a while.

    Cheers

    Joss

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    Hi Paul
    Take a look(if you haven't already done so) at http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/ww2/sugar1.html, although a Jewish site it does refer also to the non-Jewish Special Operators with 101 Sqn and your wife's Uncle appears to be referred to by name in the narrative.It may, sadly, have details you did not know.
    Regards
    Dick

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    Hello Paul,

    During your research, have you found out the exact time of the cash of this 101 Sqn Lancaster? I am asking this, as this info would help to narrow down the (probable) German night fighter claimant for the Lancaster.

    Cheers, Theo

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    Paul,

    From my trilogy 'For Your Tomorrow - A record of New Zealanders who have died while serving with the RNZAF and Allied Air Services since 1915 (Volume Two: Fates 1943-1998)':

    Thu 30/Fri 31 Mar 1944
    BOMBER COMMAND
    Raid on Nuremberg, Germany (by 795 aircraft - 105 lost)
    101 Squadron, RAF (Ludford Magna, Lincolnshire - 1 Group)
    Lancaster III LM463/K - took off at 2150 captained by Plt Off A E Lander, RNZAF, and shot by a night-fighter from 18,000 feet over Germany, crashing near Dillenburg, 24km SE of Siegen. Lander, badly burned, managed to deploy his parachute only moments before falling into a river and was fortunate not to drown He was taken prisoner along with the RAF wireless operator, the only other to escape from the burning bomber as it spun down. Their six comrades were buried at Dillenburg, but later reinterred at Hannover. (Discounting a Halifax lost on an SOE operation, the 105 aircraft destroyed during this night’s operations represented Bomber Command’s heaviest loss of the war, exceeding by 22 the previous highest total set only six weeks earlier. Over 500 aircrew died, while another 157 were taken prisoner. For a detailed account of this disastrous raid see Martin Middlebrook’s The Nuremberg Raid (Allen Lane, London, 1973).
    Navigator: NZ416862 Fg Off Mervyn Gillard HUTCHINSON, RNZAF - Age 28. 332hrs. 2nd op(?)
    Air Bomber: NZ42828 Flt Sgt Raymond Leonard CATO, RNZAF - Age 20. 399hrs. 2nd op.
    Rear Gunner: NZ425467 Flt Sgt Cyril Robert PARKINSON, RNZAF - Age 25. 170hrs. 2nd op.

    And from Vol Three (Biographies and Appendices):

    HUTCHINSON, Flying Officer Mervyn Gillard.
    NZ416862; b Chch 17 Dec 15; Chch TColl; grocery manager - Chch Hospital. RNZAF Rongotai as Airman Pilot u/t 10 Dec 41, ITW 8 Mar 42, 3EFTS 3 May 42, pilot trg terminated, Rongotai 24 May 42, ITW 9 Jul 42, remust as Air Observer u/t 13 Jul 42, emb for Canada 14 Aug 42, att RCAF 31 Aug 42, 3 M Depôt 4 Sep 42, 1BGS 27 Sep 42, remust as Air Navigator u/t 26 Oct 42, 10AOS 23 Nov 42, Air Observers Badge [in lieu Air Navigators Badge] & Sgt/Comm 19 Mar 43, 1 Y Depôt c.31 Mar 43, att RAF & emb for UK 8 Apr 43, 11PD&RC 18 Apr 43, 1(O)AFU 27 Jul 43, 11OTU (Wellington) 24 Aug 43, 31 Base for 1651HCU (Stirling) 26 Nov 43, 11 Base for 1LFS (Lancaster) 28 Feb 44, 101 Sqn (Lancaster - 2 ops?) 15 Mar 44, kao 31 Mar 44. Hannover War Cemetery - 5.H.5, Limmer, Hannover, Germany. Son of James Gillard & Rosine Jane Hutchinson (née Gerry), Spreydon, Chch. [phot. TWN 7.6.44].

    CATO, Flight Sergeant Raymond Leonard.
    NZ42828; b Takapau 19 Jan 24; Nelson Coll; hardware assistant - C A Odlin & Co, timber & hardware merchants, Wgtn. RNZAF Ohakea as Aircrafthand (AMD) 2 Feb 42, Rongotai 1 Jun 42, ITW 11 Jun 42, remust as Air Observer u/t 15 Jun 42, emb for Canada 14 Aug 42, att RCAF 31 Aug 42, 3 M Depôt 4 Sep 42, 6BGS 13 Sep 42, remust as Air Navigator u/t 26 Oct 42, 8AOS 8 Nov 42 [Jeffrey Hale's Hosp 30 Nov-12 Dec], remust as Air Bomber u/t 3 Mar 43, 6BGS 31 Mar 43, 4BGS 13 Apr 43, Air Bombers Badge & Sgt 3 May 43, 1 Y Depôt 16 May 43, att RAF & emb for UK 23 Jun 43, 12PD&RC 3 Jul 43, 9(O)AFU 12 Jul 43, 11OTU (Wellington) 24 Aug 43, 31 Base for 1651HCU (Stirling) 26 Nov 43, 11 Base for 1LFS (Lancaster) 28 Feb 44, 101 Sqn (Lancaster - 2 ops) 15 Mar 44, kao 31 Mar 44. Hannover War Cemetery - 5.H.1, Limmer, Hannover, Germany. Son of Andrew Charles Leonard & Catherine Ada Cato (née Blair), Lower Hutt. [phot. TWN 7.6.44].

    PARKINSON, Flight Sergeant Cyril Robert.
    NZ425467; b Warkworth 13 Oct 18; Te Rauamoa Sch & Correspondence Sch; driver - Waipa Taxi Co. NZ Army/TF (2nd Waikato Regt 2 mths, 8 Med Bty 3 wks); RNZAF Ohakea as Aircrafthand (ADU) 30 May 42, remust as Wireless Operator/Air Gunner u/t & ITW 9 Jul 42 [hosp/sick leave 12-25 Aug], emb for Canada 2 Oct 42, att RCAF 14 Oct 42, 3 M Depôt 19 Oct 42, 3WS 25 Oct 42, 2AGGTS 21 Mar 43, 3BGS 2 May 43, Air Gunners Badge & Sgt 11 Jun 43, 1 Y Depôt 23 Jun 43, att RAF & train to New York for emb for UK 28 Jun 43, 12PD&RC 8 Jul 43, 11OTU (Wellington) 31 Aug 43, 31 Base for 1651HCU (Stirling) 26 Nov 43, 11 Base for 1LFS (Lancaster) 28 Feb 44, 101 Sqn (Lancaster - 2 ops) 15 Mar 44, kao 31 Mar 44. Hannover War Cemetery - 5.H.4, Limmer, Hannover, Germany. Son of William John & Elizabeth Parkinson (née Muir), Te Awamutu. [phot. TWN 21.6.44].

    Errol

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    Paul,

    The New Zealand PoW was:

    NZ422293 Albert Edward Lander
    Born Auckland 27 Oct 11
    Served with RNZAF 4 Apr 42 to 24 Mar 46
    He was on his 2nd op when shot down
    Repatriated to UK 8 May 45
    Died Auckland 12 May 75

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    Theo,

    No shot down time found in the service records for any of the New Zealanders in the crew.

    Errol

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    Don't know if this will help or not.

    101 Squadron site.


    http://www.156squadron.com/101default.htm

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