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    What were the places of death registration for:

    A - Died on active service:
    F/O James A. CUNNINGHAM - 69220, and
    W/O Thomas WEBB - 349130.

    B - Killed on active service:
    AC1 (WOp) William C. ELLIS - 1263000 - age 32, and
    AC2 (WOp) George W. KING - 1385285.

    C - Not found Flight archives:
    Sgt (Pilot) Dennis C.A. CARTER - 655143;
    LAC Ciaran A. CLARKE - 1377847 - buried Little Bray (St.Peter's) Cath. Cemetery, Dublin, Irish Republic.
    Sgt (Pilot) Walter F.G. HOBBY - 748138;
    LAC (Obs) Robert C. SHARP - 1166717;
    AC1 James SILCOCK - 1078931, and
    LAC (Pilot u/t) Joseph R. STEPHENS - 1312334.

    D - Proposed aircraft losses for this day:
    Blenheim I - L1353 - 51 OTU - crashed on take-off at night Salford, Buckinghamshire.
    Botha I - L6195 - 4 AOS - crashed on take-off Galdenoch Farm, West Freugh, Wigtownshire.
    Master I - N9010 - 8 FTS - dived into ground at night Midmans Farm, Friockheim, Angusshire.
    Oxford I - V4157 - 14 FTS - abandoned 3 miles E of Lyneham, Wiltshire.
    Oxford I - X6659 - RAFC - crashed on approach Fulbeck, Lincolnshire.
    Oxford II - P1847 - 2 CFS - crashed on overshoot Dalcross (already as a casualty on this aircraft: Sgt R. CALLABY - 1204568).
    Spitfire I - R7058 - 57 OTU - crashed in forced landing Belton Farm, Whitchurch, Shropshire.
    Tutor I - K3454 - 2 CFS - flew into ground 3 miles E of Southam RLG.
    Wellington IC - R1278 - 3 (C)OTU - crashed on overshoot Skellingthorpe, Lincolnshire.
    Oxford I - AT730 - 14 FTS - flew into high ground at night Bradenstoke, 1 mile W of Lyneham, Wiltshire.

    Regards and thanks for your help.
    Henk.

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    Hi Henk
    Cunningham,47, registered at Cardiff, S Wales
    Webb, 52, registered at Wenlock, Shropshire,this has been a regular place to register deaths at Cosford Hospital, the accident at Whitchurch, if there were deaths, would be recorded at Whitchurch which had an office
    King,27, registered at Devon Central,
    Silcock,32, registered at Buckrose, E Yorkshire
    The Blenheim,L1353, is in Warner with 2 fatalities, both registered at Ampthill, Bedfordshire the right area for the crash site and Cranfield where they took off, Sgt M Cuke,23, and Sgt J Green,24.
    None of the rest came up on the register but I see you have 3 possible incidents in Scotland and they may be involved with them
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    A - Died on active service:
    F/O James A. CUNNINGHAM - Age 47 Cardiff district, Glamorgan
    W/O Thomas WEBB - Age 52 Wenlock District, Shropshire.

    B - Killed on active service:
    AC1 (WOp) William C. ELLIS - There is a 32 yr old William Charles Ellis in Scotland, can't narrow down district but its not Dalcross. Note in Q1 1942 there is a William G Ellis age 32 in Surrey Mid E. Just to note.
    AC2 (WOp) George W. KING -
    There are 3 George W's aged 67, 73 and 27, the latter registered in Devon Central District.
    At the same time, theres a 20 year old George William King in Scotland for 1941.

    C - Not found Flight archives:
    Sgt (Pilot) Dennis C.A. CARTER - There's a Dennis Carter, age 22 no initials in Scotland; but no one on EngWal registere Q4 or Q1.

    LAC Ciaran A. CLARKE - There is a 33 year old Ciaran ANTHONY Clarke in Scotland, I'll maybe email them about a scanning error there. Nothing in EngWal's In think. [[I contacted CWGC in Feb 2009 and they confirmed their original files show his second name to be Anzlony, not Anthony, so the Scottish registers may have made a similar assumption about his name being Anthony.]]

    Sgt (Pilot) Walter F.G. HOBBY - there is a 22 year old Walter Francis Hobby in Soctland, I can;t type in G or Godfrey in the search field but I guess its likely him;

    LAC (Obs) Robert C. SHARP - there is a 25 year old Robert Charles Sharp in Scotland; Q4 of EngWals seems clear. Our R C Sharp was buried in Aldenham, and a Robert C Sharp was born in Watford District in Q3, 1916 which includes Aldenham.

    AC1 James SILCOCK - age 32 in Buckrose district, Yorkshire East Riding

    LAC (Pilot u/t) Joseph R. STEPHENS - again, a 19 year old in Scotland.

    I'll drill through the Scotpeople site, see what I can find
    Last edited by dennis_burke; 26th February 2009 at 18:18.
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    OK, Ellis, King, Clark, Hobby, Sharp all appear to return in Stoneykirk district, Wigtown. So place them on the Botha perhaps.

    5 men on a Botha. ?

    And Joseph Ronald Stephens age 19 in Carmyllie district, Angus.

    Dennis Carter age 22 is registered in Petty District, Inverness. Bear in mind Dennis C A Carter is buried in Petty Parish Churchyard and came from Middlesex.
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    Hi Henk

    Sharp Clarke and Hobby are all listed on GRO as being with 4 AOS so I've got them with Botha L6195.

    Callaby is registered in Petty and Carter is buried there so I suspect then were both in P1847.

    I've pencilled Stephens into Master N9010

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    Here are the relevant ORB I have copies for Botha L6195 and Master N9010, it removes six from your list.

    No.4 AOS

    November 18th 1941, “Botha L6195 crashed at East Galdenoch Farm on Stranraer, Dunraggit Road. Five airmen killed. Sgt Pilot W.F. Hobby 748138, LAC Sharp R.G. 1166717, LAC Clarke C.A. 1377842, AC2 Ellis W.C. 1263000, AC2 King J. 1182816.”

    No.8 FTS

    November 18th 1941, “1312334 LAC (Cadet) Stephens, J.R. killed in Master N9010, whilst night flying. Machine crashed 2 1.2 miles south of Brechin. Accident investigated by S/Ldr Kinnear on 22/11/41.”
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    Thanks friends for this excellent 'harvest'. With CARTER probably on Oxford P1847 it took seven from the list. But I (we ?) still have a long way to go !
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    Confirm Carter killed at Dalcross (with Callaby), Oxford P1847.

    regards

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    Thanks Dave for confirmation CARTER.
    Regards,
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    For what its worth, Stephens, Callaby and Carter are all KOAS in the January 8 1942 magazine.

    Hobby, Clark and Ellis are listed KOAS in April 16th 1942 magazine.
    Last edited by dennis_burke; 26th June 2010 at 15:51.
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