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    Default Hudson FH407

    Hi All,

    Hudson FH407 failed to return from an Atlantic Met flight with 1402 Flight on 30/12/1942. Could anyone supply any details on the crew.

    Many thanks in advance,

    Russ

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    Default Some possibles perhaps

    These are the only four names from that date on the Runnymede Memorial, so they are possibles. There are others on CWGC buried in Irvinestown but I assumed FTR meant they weren't found.

    CHATTERLEY, CECIL WILLIAM Flight Sergeant 973977 27
    ENGLISH, SIDNEY EDWARD Sergeant 1262446 33
    NEWBEGIN, PHILIP WADHAM Sergeant 1377442 34
    MILLAR, SAMUEL RAY Warrant Officer Class II R/77780 20 RCAF
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    Hudsons generally had a crew of four.

    Does anyone know where the a/c was based and where (approx) did she come down?

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    According to Ross's Coastal Command lists, Flight 1402 was based at Aldergrove, County Antrim, and flew Hudsons as well as Spitfires and Gladiators.
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    Hi,

    Took off from RAF Aldergrove at 09:00 hrs for a Bismuth Sortie.

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    Russ, Hi,
    BISMUTH was one of the standard Met Recce sorties.
    Base (Aldergrove or Tiree) to 57.5N 25.0W at 950 mb (c.1800 ft ASL)
    Climb to 500 mb (c. 18,000 ft ASL) and go to 63N 14 W
    Descend at this position back to 950 mb and head for Base.
    Turning points could be varied according to operational requirements. So a fairly big chunk of ocean!!
    (Source "Even The Birds Were Walking" - Kington & Rackliff, 2000, Tempus, ISBN 075242016X).
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    Thank you all for your informative replies!

    I suspect that the four names are correct, and this would be confirmed if Millar was the pilot.... however I have him two days prior to being lost (in a logbook) as a Flight Sergeant and not a Warrant Officer.

    I especially appreciate you letting me know your source Peter, I will have to look into getting a copy of the book, "Even The Birds Were Walking" - Kington & Rackliff.

    Thanks again,

    Russ

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    Russ,
    ETBWW is mainly about the various Met Flights/Sqns from the perspective of the meteorologists (Met Air Observer, or MAO). Very many Met Recce Flights were made without a MAO on board - the Nav did the Met Obs. They (the Navs) were given a crash course (if you will forgive the unfortunate connotations!) in Met Observing. The ordinary WoP/AG transmitted the Obs back to Base where they were looked at by a MAO before being passed on to Group, and Dunstable, for future use in analysis and forecasting.
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    Russ,

    ETBWW does not mention this incident, but I have contacted the book's author (a friend) to see if he can add anything to what has already been written.

    There is a comprehensive record of 1402 Met Flight's operations in its ORB (AIR29/866), and I'm sure this will give you the info you need. But hang on until I hear from my contact.

    Brian
    Last edited by Lyffe; 12th February 2009 at 17:13. Reason: Second thoughts

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    Millar might have been due for a promotion that came through afterward and therefore that is how he is listed on CWGC.
    David

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