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    Default Unaccounted airwoman and airmen - 7-12-1941

    What were the places of death registration for the following persons whose names I can't find in the Flight archives:

    ACW2 Edna R. BIRCH - 2060027;
    Sgt (Pilot) Herbert J. LEWIS - 1107466, and
    LAC Raymond J. OGBORN - 1400895.

    Proposed aircraft losses for this day:
    Dominie I - X7354 - 3 Del Flt - abandoned Hardley, Shropshire.
    Master I - T8404 - 9 FTS - crashed on take-off at night Hullavington (already as a casualty on this a/c: Sgt V.D.B. MARTIN - RCAF R/74454).
    Master III - W8819 - 1 FTS - bellylanded Netheravon.
    Spitfire I - L1005 - 57 OTU - crashed in forced landing Pontesbury, Shropshire.
    Spitfire I - L1042 - 57 OTU - dived into ground Hill Farm, Picton, Cheshire.
    Spitfire I - R7140 - 57 OTU - crashed near Chester.
    Oxford II - AB704 - 12 FTS - crashed on take-off Grantham.
    Spitfire IA - AR217 - 52 OTU - crashed on ferry flight; no further details.

    Regards and thanks for your help.
    Henk.

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    Henk,
    Lewis, Chippenham,
    Ogborn, Wenlock, but which one, Staffordshire or Gloucestershire,
    Ca'nt find E Birch at the moment.
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    Hi Henk
    The Wenlock registry Office is in Shropshire, presumably in the town of Much Wenlock.A death at Pontesbury, would be registered at Shrewsbury which is not far from Wenlock but does include Pontesbury in it's list .
    Chippenham would be right for a death at or near Hullavington and Martin is also registered at Chippenham
    There is an Edna R Birch,21, registered at Chippenham, in the 1st Qtr of 1942, the age corresponds with CWGC
    Regards
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    No one on your list was involved in the accidents that befell 57 OTU.

    December 7th 1941, “1375855 Sgt Bradshaw killed in flying accident at Chester during course of operational training.”

    December 7th 1941, “P/O R.L. Newell killed in flying accident at Picton, Chester during course of operational training.”

    December 7th 1941, “Sudden deterioration in the weather caused six Spitfires of 57 OTU to crash, two pilots being killed. In the same storm a Dominie aircraft of No.3 Delivery Flight was struck by lightning causing it to crash. The pilot and one of the five passengers were killed.”

    It looks as though Bradshaw was flying R7140 and Newell L1042, it is worthy of note that this was the second 57 OTU crash at Picton in as many days!

    There is no Hardley near Much Wenlock but there is a Harley 2 miles NW of the town so that would put Ogborn as a the passenger on Dominie X7354.
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    I have the location for the Dominie as Hordley, near Ellesmere. The crew


    EJ Moodie 60527 killed
    GK Eaton 101066 killed
    Austin, Brooks and Cameron injured.

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    That would explain the entry for Eaton in the No.256 Sqn and No.3 SGR ORBs.

    December 6th 1941, “P/O Eaton killed in aircraft crash near Ellesmere.”

    December 7th 1941, “P/O G.K. Eaton of 256 Squadron killed in aircraft crash near Ellesmere.”
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    Can confirm Hordley as the crash site, to the SW of Ellesmere. 7th December was not a good day for flying in Shropshire. There were at least six aircraft crashes caused due to the heavy snow storms, including four deaths, the two in the Dominie, 1st Officer Gasser, ATA in Hurricane Z5663 at Button Oak and Sgt Metcalfe, RAAF in Spitfire P7746 near the Wrekin. I have not been able to establish the occupant of Spitfire L1005, there being no accident card for it. Of the six Spitfire accidents mentioned in 57 OTU ORB as crashing that day, two more came down in Shropshire; P9446 crashed at Bratton RLG and R6963 at Montford Bridge airfield (under construction). I cannot identify the last of the six aircraft though! Anyone else?

    Ogborn is a new one to me. I can only assume he died in RAF Cosford Hospital again.

    Cheers, Tom
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    Cosford, being between Albrighton and Shifnal (both in the Wellington District), was in the Wellington registration district.

    I think further investigation would be needed.
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    Hi Alan, Cosford was actually in the Wenlock registration district until after the war when it then became part of Wellington district (can't remember the exact year, but it was around 1950). I've always thought this to be strange myself, but all of the casualties i have recorded that died in RAF Cosford hospital are registered in Wenlock until about 1950 when they all start appearing under Wellington and then under Wrekin from about 1980 onwards!

    Cheers, Tom

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    That is odd as GENUKI / UKBMD lists both Albrighton and Shifnal being absorbed into Wellington District in 1935 and remaining until the Local Gov. reorganisation in 1974.

    http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/REG/districts/wellington2.html

    Wenlock district was created in 1935 and was broken between Wellington and Bridgnorth in 1948 with would figure with the registations changin around that period.

    http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/REG/districts/wenlock.html

    I can't see why the deaths would be registered in the wrong district though, unless there was an 'operational' reason for it.
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