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    Default Sgt Selwyn Thompson 2215881

    I have noticed an inconsistancy with the No.42 OTU ORB with the above airman, he is listed as being killed in two accidents a month apart.

    The CWGC lists the first date, 24th July 1944.

    I would like to check which district his death was registered in, I think it should be Shardlow for him to have been killed in the first accdeint, Whitley BD230 and Ashbourne for the second, Albemarle V1621.
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    According to Cummings' ""

    BD230 Whitley V
    42 OTU
    Near Weston Underwood
    The aircraft dived into the ground:

    Sergeant John William Edward COOPER Pilot
    Sergeant Henry COWAN Navigator
    Sergeant William Brooksbank SMITH Bomb Aimer
    Sergeant William Clifford NORCROSS Wireless Operator
    Sergeant Maurice Mitchell LYON Air Gunner

    V1621 Albemarle
    42 OTU
    RAF Ashbourne
    Shortly after take-off the port engine failed and the aircraft returned to land. An overshoot was made on one engine and the aircraft then turned in to land from 800 feet and the pilot initiated an ‘S’ turn to bleed off some height. The undercarriage was lowered too soon and the aircraft undershot the runway, struck a telegraph pole, crashed on some buildings in the dispersal area and caught fire. The Board of Enquiry considered the pilot made some errors of judgement in lowering the undercarriage too soon and in using ‘S’ turns to attempt to line up with the runway, however, the CO and the AOC both considered that the poor visibility made it very difficult for the pilot to see the runway and to line up for landing. It is also worth noting that the pilot, despite having over 1500 flying hours, only had 16 hours on type. In total there were five RAF and one other person injured on the ground and two crew, including the pilot, injured in the aircraft, in addition to the fatal casualties.

    Flying Officer John Frederick ROSE
    Sergeant Selwyn THOMPSON
    Sergeant Stephen Boag TUFF
    Leading Aircraftman William MCGREGOR
    Leading Aircraftman Royston Hubert HARWOOD
    Leading Aircraftwoman Ivy LITCHFIELD WAAF (died of injuries 25 July)

    Both accidents given as 24/08/1944

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    Last edited by Amrit; 18th February 2009 at 18:26. Reason: typos

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    Selwyn Thompson age 21 is listed as Ashbourne in the Q3 Index for 1944.
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    Registration at Ashbourne would fit with Thompson being in the ORB as V1621, he also appeared listed with BD230 although th CWGC having him listed in July and not August still doesn't quite add up.

    For anyone who is interested, here are the entries from the ORB.

    July 24th 1944, “Aircraft Whitley BD230 crashed at Mugginton near Brailsford when preparing to land on return from cross country night flight. Crew missing or killed.
    1324488 Sgt Cooper, J.W. Pilot Missing
    1621980 Sgt Cowan, H. Nav/B Missing
    1685214 Sgt Norcross, W. Wop/Air killed
    1672285 Sgt Tuff, S.B. Nav/B killed
    2215881 Sgt Thompson, W. Wop/Air
    Efforts made to trace missing personnel at scene of crash and over a wide area but no trace has been found. It is presumed that missing personnel disappeared with aircraft which went fifteen feet into the ground.”

    August 24th 1944, “Aircraft Albemarle V1621 crashed on edge of aerodrome when attempting to land owing to failure of port engine. Pilot F/Lt G.E. Jackson was seriously injured. The aircraft in attempting to land struck “B” Flight Buildings trapping several personnel. Aircraft and Flight Store caught fire a few seconds after the crash resulting in the death of two RAF and one WAAF personnel. Details as follows:

    129622 LAC Harwood
    1663665 LAC McGregor
    2106058 LACW Litchfield

    Details of aircrew:
    F/Lt G.E. Jackson Pilot, seriously injured.
    1606671 Sgt Miller Pilot, seriously injured.
    158231 F/O Rose, J.F. Killed
    1672285 Sgt Tuff, S.B. Killed
    2215881 Sgt Thompson, S. Killed

    Five other airmen were injured, when the aeroplane struck the building. No.292968 Cpl Cranmer, RASC was injured in a road crash a few yards from the scene of the accident. Cpl Cranmer in trying to avoid the aircraft which was crossing the road at very low altitude crashed into moving van.”
    Alan Clark

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    Default 24-7-1944

    Dennis/Dick,
    What were the places of death registration for:
    Sgt Maurice M. LYON - 2206480;
    Sgt Stephen B. TUFF - 1672285, and
    Sgt William B. SMITH - 1671717.
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    I think we have another ORB that has been repeated in print.

    All of the casualties are recorded by CWGC as 24/07/44 with the exception of LACW Litchfield, she is listed as 25/07/44.

    As for who really was on each aircraft, that one is down to the registration districts.
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    Maurice M. LYON age 19, Shardlow District
    Stephen B. TUFF Age 20 Ashbourne District
    William B. SMITH Age 21 Shardlow District
    John F Rose Age Age 33 Ashbourne District

    Ivy Litchfield is registered in Derby district, she presumably died in Hospital.

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    So that means that Cummings had the right crew lsits, just the wrong date.
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    Thanks Dennis; files amended.
    Regards,
    Henk.

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