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    Another question from a reader. Apparently a Hudson went down in the St. Lawrence River (or maybe Gulf of St. Lawrence) on 4 October 1942 near Matane. There were 4 American fatalities reported, which makes me suspect it was on a ferry flight to the UK. I couldn't find any RCAF Hudson losses that match.

    Looking for more details, including serial number.

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    Hi Bill,

    I check Ocean Bridge by C. A. Christie but no loss on this day.

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    Nothing reported for USAAF losses either

    http://www.aviationarchaeology.com/src/AFrptsMO.htm

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    There is the briefest of mentions on page 2 of the Toronto Star, Oct. 5, 1942:

    Bomber Crashes, 4 Feared Dead
    Matane Wharf, Que. - A Hudson bomber crashed in the St. Lawrence River two miles from here last night. All four men in the crew were believed to have been killed.

    I looked for a follow-up story but couldn't' find one.

    Matane is in the Gaspe, just before the mouth of the St. Lawrence where it opens into the Gulf, so in the river would be accurate.
    Last edited by dfuller52; 2nd March 2009 at 20:22. Reason: additional info
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    Default Hudson loss in Canada 4 October 1942

    hello,

    From another site the date is now given as October 21st 1943.

    Have requested confirmation of date .

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    Interesting coincidence, 21 October 1943 is the date the surviving Hudson Mk. Is were transferred from operational units to the OTUs.

    One possible candidate for the 3 October 1942 date is Hudson III FH340. This was taken on RCAF books following a crash sometime in October 1942, while being operated by RAF Ferry Command, but RCAF records say the crash occurred within No. 1 Training Command's area, Matane would have been in 3 TC area. The aircraft was scrapped at Borden, a long way west of the St. Lawrence. Does anybody have more information on what happened to this aircraft?

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    Hi Bill,

    unfortunately RAF seial by Air Britain has no unit and only: Crashed in Canada on delivery flight.

    From all information it seems to me that the plane crahsed with an American crew on delivery flight from the USA to Canada before it was attached to Ferry Command.

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    Google News Archive has following:


    CRASH TAKES RCAF TOLL; Bomber With Crew of 4 Sinks in St. Lawrence...

    New York Times - Oct 6, 1942
    A.TAIE, Que., Oct. 5 Residents of this Gaspe Coast town reported today that a
    Royal Canadian Air Force bomber crashed into the St. Lawrence :River near here ...

    Not Date is stated to be 5th October 1942
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    Alex Smart has on another web site dug out the details of all Hudson losses in Canada and US for those meant for the RAF.
    Details from Air Britain's "The British Air Commission and Lend-Lease".

    Mk.1
    N7260 crashed prior to deliverey.

    Mk.III
    T9437,9446,9449 and 9450 crashed after export.
    V9125,9181,9182,9184; AE545,561,577: AM932,940,951 crashed after export.

    Mk. V
    AE640,657:AM577,756,849 crashed after export
    AM897 and 900 crashed in the USA.

    Mk.IIIA
    BW636 and 638 crashed after export.
    BW435,440,455,459,637,714,773 and 774 crashed in the USA.
    FH233,246,269,316,317,335,340,368,382,395,458,465 crashed after export.
    FH228,303,347 and 397 crashed in the USA.
    FK742,754,789,792,crashed after export.

    Mk. VI
    EW885,908,932 crashed after export in Canada and EW886 and 892 crashed in the USA.
    FK412, 559, 687, 690 crashed in Canada.
    FK404,572,588,629,659,665,723,480,517,533,558 and 610 crashed in the USA.

    If anyone has access to the Lockheed Twins from Air Britain and could look up the detail of all these losses.,. BTW we can exclude FH347 as this was 41-37148 and crashed at County Airport, Michigan on 4th April 1942

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    Thanks for this list Paul. Several of the aircraft listed as "crashed in Canada" did end up on the RCAF books for scrapping, but FH340 is the only one close to the right date for the Matane crash.

    Still 2 questions in my mind. First, why was a US crew this far east? They normally only delivered to Dorval, I thought. Does anyone know if US crews were flying to Newfoundland or the UK in late 1942? Second, why do the RCAF records say the aircraft as crashed in 1 TC territory? In late 1942 this was central and western Ontario.

    Either there is another aircraft involved, or there is more to the story.

    Paul, one to add to your list: Mk. VI FK393, crashed in Ontario while being operated by RAF Ferry Command. Airframe to RCAF on 16 November 1942 for scrapping, engines found repairable and returned to RAF.
    Last edited by Bill Walker; 3rd March 2009 at 13:31. Reason: added FK393 info

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