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    Hi all

    Would anyone have any info please about the loss of P/O G J Maygothling's 109 Sqn a/c on the night of 28-29/3/1942?

    Chorley (incorrectly, I think) shows him on the Lubeck raid, but the 109 Sqn ORB only says he was on a "Special Duty Flight" from Tempsford and failed to return. The a/c was Wellington Ic X9913, ZP-N.

    Anyone know what they were doing and where exactly they might have been lost? Was it one of 109's 'hush-hush' flights, maybe checking-out enemy radio signals?

    Any 109 Sqn specialists out there? As always, any info much appreciated.

    Cheers

    Ian

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    Ian,
    According to his RAAF file, Sgt F.G. Bower attended a course at Boscombe Down between 19/1/42 and 23/3/42, might be a connection with the Special Duties bit in the 109sqdn ORB.

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    Twelve aircraft were lost on the night of 28-29/3/42, all on the raid on Lubeck. This was at the time when Gee was coming into use in a small way. On the Lubeck raid, the attacking force was divided into waves, the first of which comprised Gee-equipped aircraft to lead the way to the target. Since 109 Squadron was, at this time, engaged in RCM duties, it is reasonable to assume that X9913 was involved, especially when the fact that this Wellington had a crew of eight on board is taken into account.
    I'm somewhat non-plussed by the coding of this Wellington since as far as I'm aware, ZP was never used by 109 Squadron. It was however, used by 1473 Flt, an Electronic Countermeasures Unit from July 1942 until absorption into 192 Squadron in January 1944.
    Sergeant Bower's course at Boscombe Down coincides almost exactly with 109 Squadron's spell at Tempsford and, 109 (having previously been the Wireless Investigation Development Unit) were based at Boscombe before going to Tempsford.
    Bill

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    "Beam Bombers" by Cumming merely states that his aircraft was one of the two lost in early 1942 whilst on wireless investigation work.

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    Hi chaps

    Many thanks for those responses. Gives me a few more snippets of info.

    Amrit - I've got "Beam Bombers" but hadn't got round to checking it so thanks for the heads-up. Seems to confirm my guess that they were on some sort of 'parallel' job rather than the main attack itself.

    Bill - I am trying to put together the detailed story of the entire op, primarily from the official records, framed around listed take-off, bombing, 'other incident', and landing times, supplemented with all the other details I can locate and add in. Interesting what you flag up about the a/c code letters. I'd wondered about that. (Why not 109's 'HS' code?). The Group ORB gives the individual a/c code letter as 'N' but my 'ZP' reference came from Chorley so I wonder where he got it from? Have to look more closely at the 109 ORB next time I'm up at Kew and see what that says. I think it says the a/c was from 109's 'B' Flight.

    Alan - an interesting connection. I'm sure you're right.

    I still don't know why they came down, or when, but as they're named on Runnymede I guess it must've been somewhere over the sea.

    Ta again

    Ian

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    The 109 Squadron Roll of Honour Shows the crew as Leo Joseph Convey RCAF; Sgt. F Cassells; Sgt. F Bower; P/O R Cussen; LAC R Rendell; P/O B Sadler and F/Sgt R Walker. No Mention of P/O G J Maygothling
    http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Bedfordshire/LIttleStaughton109Squadron.html

    Allion & Hayward - They Shall Grown not Old say there were 2 RAAF and 3 RAF as well as Convey. You may get something out of the Australian Archives site on them if they have been scanned.
    The Canadian Virtual War Memorial has a newspaper clipping http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm?source=collections/virtualmem/photos&casualty=1084841
    Dave Wallace

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    Dave

    Thanks for the note. He's definitely in the ORB. Maybe the RoH is wrong.

    Ian


    ps Also, just to set the record straight in case anyone should find and refer to this thread in the future, I have re-checked and in fact X9913 took off from Stradishall not Tempsford. I'd mis-read the ORB to start with as 109 were spread over 3 bases around this time. The ORB definitely refers to them as 109 Sqn too, and not 1473 Flight or anything like that.

    On 19/1/1942:
    - The Wireless Reconnaissance Flight ('except the Wyton detachment') moved to Upper Heyford. (- "A" Flight?)
    - The Wireless Investigation Flight ("B" Flight) remained at Boscombe Down.
    - The Headquarters and the Wireless Development Flight ("C" Flight) moved to Tempsford.

    But then in mid-March '42 (18th to 23rd), "B" Flight (incl Maygothling) moved from Boscombe Down to Stradishall.

    On 6/4/42, "C" Flight and the HQ Flight then followed "B", moving from Tempsford to Stradishall.

    ... come on everyone, keep up!



    All were equipped with Wellingtons although the Upper Heyford lot also had some Ansons on charge: R9814, W1903 and W1904.

    Thanks again all.

    Ian

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    Hi Ian,

    From the service file of J/6161 P/O Leo Joseph Convey, held at the LAC Ottawa, RG24, Volume 25093.

    I have transcribed it verbatim. Should you or anybody else wish a jpg of this document and a few more about this crash please PM me your email addresses.

    Hoping this fills in some of the blanks.

    Regards,

    Dave

    From: Officer Commanding, No. 109 Sqdn
    RAF Tempsford. Beds.

    To: Air Ministry (P.4. Casualties) No. 3 Group.
    Air Officer i/c Records, Gloucester/
    109 Sqdn. Detachment, Stradishall

    Date: 30.3.1942

    Ref: 109S/353/28/P.1.

    Circumstantial Report
    Wellington X.9913 missing from Operational
    Flight 28/29.3.1942

    With reference to this Unit's signal A.9 dated March 29 1942 and in accordance with A.P. 1922, Section X, para. 102 (a), the following report is forwarded.

    2. The crew of Wellington X.9913 was composed as follows:

    Captain - 100639 P/O G.J. Maygothling
    2nd Pilot - AUS. 404933 Sgt. P.J. Cassells
    Observer - J.6161 P/O L.J. Convey (RCAF)
    W/Op. AG - 106075 P/O R.J. Cussen
    W/OP. AG - AUS. 4044078 Sgt. F.G. Bower
    Air Gunner - 535972 T/F/Sgt. R.A. Walker
    Special Operator - 67252 P/O B.E.P. Sadler
    Special Operator - 1305046 LAC R. Rendell

    3. The aircraft took off from STRADISHALL at 19.50 hours on March 28th 1942, to carry out a special duty flight for Air Ministry (A.I.4.(a)). It was due to return to base at 03.50 hours on March 29th 1942.

    4. The route ordered was from STRADISHALL to a point 60 miles north of TERSCHELLING and then coastwise at a range of 60 miles along the FRIESIAN ISLANDS, the west coast of Germany and the west coast of Denmark to SKAGEN. The return trip was along a parallel track but at a distance of 30 miles from the coast.

    5. It is not possible to give any account of the occurrence since no communication was made with the aircraft after takeoff and no information relating to it has been received. It will be appreciated that the aircraft was routed close to enemy night fighter zones and an error in navigation on the return trip may have made interception by enemy night fighters possible. Reports indicate that weather conditions for night fighters were excellent.

    6. The aircraft was fitted with long range tanks and, for this operation, carried 1030 gallons of fuel. This provided a safe endurance of nearly 15 hours and ample margin for such a flight.

    7. The aircraft was installed with Special Wireless Investigation equipment and two special operators were carried to work the equipment.

    C.M. Mullen
    Wing Commander
    Commanding No. 109 Squadron

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    Hi Dave

    I'd thought this one had got as far as it was going to, and then you come up with this. That's great, many thanks for that.

    While it doesn't completely fill in the gap - as your note says, there was no contact with the plane after it took off, it certainly gives me more details about the general area it was due to have been in. I'll have to see if that possibly ties-in with any combat claims or sightings. It all helps build up the overall picture.

    Could I please trouble you for copies of the documents you've offered as well? My e-mail is ianDOThunt29.....AT.....btinternetDOTcom. (Replacing the DOT's, the AT, and removing the "......"s, of course).

    Thanks again

    Ian

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    Hi Ian,

    You should have the zip file by now although I did see it was right at the limit that yahoo allows an email attachment to be.

    If you did not receive it let me know and I'll resend in two smaller emails.

    Regards,

    Dave

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