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    Default 421214 - Unaccounted airmen - 14-12-1942 (S.Africa)

    What caused the death of:

    LAC (Nav u/t) Harry BURROUGHS - 656460 - age 29 - of 41 Air School, and
    LAC (Nav u/t) Robert P.W. STEVENS - 1311896 - age 30 - of 42 Air School,
    both KOAS and buried East London (East Bank) Cem., East Cape.

    Regards and thanks for your help.
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    These units are the units presented on the GRO RAF list of overseas deaths and of course may be wrong. 41 AS was based at East London and hence is the more likely correct candidate but they may well be 42 AS?

    Also buried in the same cemetery for the same date are these two SAAF airmen.
    SAAF 2nd Lt. N A Chambers Sec. 11C. Grave 738E
    SAAF Air Mechnic A B Methven Sec.11C. Grave 738W
    RAF LAC Burroughs Sec. 11C. Grave 740W
    RAF LAC Stevens Sec.11C. Grave 740E.

    Edit:
    All four names appear in the same Casualty list, Flight mag Cas Comm. No. 204

    South African Air Force
    KILLED ON ACTIVE SERVICE.—2/Lt. N. A. chambers.
    WOUNDED OR INJURED ON ACTIVE SERVICE —
    Air Mech A. B. Methuen.

    The CWGC information for the cemetery even mentions it:
    During the Second World War, the Empire Air Training Scheme operated at No 41 Air School at East London and the local Provincial Hospital included a military wing. There are 11 First World War and 117 Second World War casualties in this cemetery.
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    Henk,

    RE: SAAF Losses 14-12-1942.

    Sorry to put the cat amongst the canaries, but a couple of incidents need to be looked at more closely:

    A.

    14-12-1942
    41 Air School, Collondale (East London)
    Anson 3246 (ex-AX644), (Coded 'L1')

    Hit by Battle 1023 on landing Collondale - SOC 18-5-43

    B.

    14-12-1942
    42 Air School, South End, Port Elizabeth
    Anson 3250 (ex-DG708)

    Hit mountain at night Amatola Rock, near Alice.

    See:
    The Anson File
    Sturtivant,Ray
    Tonbridge:Air Britain(Historians),1988
    A. p.255
    B. p.256

    You need someone with Winston Brent's book to sort this out (Amrit, maybe?).

    Col.
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    Thanks Dennis. There may be a connection to the mentioned SAAF airmen; perhaps someone who has access to the RoH SAAF could come up with an answer.
    Regards,
    Henk.

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    "85 Years of the SAAF" confirms the information provided by Col and Dennis.

    14-12-1942
    41 Air School, Collondale (East London)
    Anson 3246 (ex-AX644), (Coded 'L1')
    Hit by Battle 1023 on landing Collondale

    Lt A V Rubidge (safe)
    ___________

    14-12-1942
    42 Air School, South End, Port Elizabeth
    Anson 3250 (ex-DG708)
    Hit mountain at night Amatola Rock, near Alice.

    Dennis's list of:

    SAAF 2nd Lt. N A Chambers Sec. 11C. Grave 738E
    SAAF Air Mechnic A B Methven Sec.11C. Grave 738W
    RAF LAC Burroughs Sec. 11C. Grave 740W
    RAF LAC Stevens Sec.11C. Grave 740E.

    all listed as the crew

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    Thanks friends for your excellent help. Have to put "85 Years of the SAAF" on the birthday wishlist (have to wait until World Animal Day - 4th October !).
    Regards,
    Henk.

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    Hi Henk,

    There is a F1180 raised for Anson 3250 of No.41 Air School. (in common for most SAAF Anson losses)

    Pilot listed as 2/Lt Chambers 206725 and a total of 4 killed onboard.

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    Air School 41 ORB confirms 4 dead in Anson 3250 which crashed approx 6 miles south of Alice in Amtola Mountains on 14 Dec 1942. Pilot Lt Chambers, A/M Methaven, LAC Stevens and LAC Burroughs killed

    NOT Air School 42!!!

    Funeral on 16th Dec

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