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    I have recently seen this term used but without a clear definition. One history simply describes it as a method of target marking used in conjunction with Oboe (hence the musical descriptor). Is it just a code word for TIs dropped with the aid of Oboe or does it carry a more specific meaning?
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    hello,

    Parramatta if I remember well is the ground marking with Target Indicators (TI). Musical means the marking is guided by Oboe equipped planes (Mosquitoes). The other marking techniques are Newhaven and Wanganui, one is blind ground marking and the other is sky marking (can't remember which one is which one).

    The initial marking is continued by a force known as the "backers-up" as TI bombs have a limited life.

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    There was also H2S Paramatta which was blind dropping of TI's using H2S.
    Newhaven was the dropping of flares to illuminate the target area so that the TI's could be accurately dropped.
    Wanganui was the dropping of sky-markers for the Main Force to drop on (Musical Wanganui was OBOE assisted). Not very efficient as the sky markers drifted with the wind and had to be replaced every 5 mins or so. (source Hecks, 'Bombing 1939-45', Hale, London 1990).
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    Theres too files with this in the title at UK National achives:

    AIR 14/2028 "Wanganui and Paramatta" blind bombing techniques 1942 Dec.-1944 July
    AIR 14/2029 "Wanganui and Paramatta" blind bombing techniques, methods, operational procedure 1943 Jan.- Feb

    Not much help to you unless you can get there or order them online.

    There is a nice semi animated presentation on the RAF website that I think mentions it along with other systems.
    www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/target.html

    These contempory articles appeared in 1945 Flight magazines about the pathfinder force.

    http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1946/1946%20-%200861.html
    http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1946/1946%20-%200909.html

    Wanganui was the sky marking according to these.
    Dennis Burke
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    Foreign Aircrew and Aircraft Ireland 1939-1945
    www.ww2irishaviation.com

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    Thanks all for such rapid and complete responses! The reference was in Point Blank, recommended earlier by one of you on a different thread. What a great read for understanding the intricacies of precision bombing of the sort that crew members I am researching, carried out.
    David

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    Newhaven= Visual Ground Marking
    Paramatta= Blind Ground Marking
    Wanganui= Sky Marking.
    Musical = Using Oboe.
    Thus Musical Paramatta= Blind Ground Marking using Oboe.
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    It is worth looking at 'Pathfinder' by AVM D.C.T. Bennett. He describes the processes and even explains the unlikely way the names were chosen.

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    Hello Dave,

    One of the best descriptions of the aforementioned marking techniques is in Appendices I-VI, of the following:-

    See:
    Pathfinder Force:A History of 8 Group.
    Musgrove,Gordon.
    London:Macdonald & Jane's,1976.
    pp.220-57
    (There are later editions of this work).

    Col.

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    hello,

    I agree with Col, there are sketches in the Appendix section of Gordon Musgrove book which are very useful. Also one explaining Oboe.

    I've also seen the powerpoint described in the past but couldn't remember the URL. Better than the books and black & white drawings...

    Sorry if I mislead you with my early post, made from memory only.

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    Did the RAAF & RNZAF have a say in naming these ?
    Parramatta, an Aboriginal name , is a western suburb of Sydney & Wanganui , I presume a Maori name, is in the North Island of New Zealand .

    Anne

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