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    Could anybody verify which of the following is correct please?
    I have come across two sets of details for the same aircraft and would like to know which is correct:

    P7816:
    16-12-40 41S 06-02-41 54Sqn 22-02-41 Dived into ground in haze on return from sweep Ashford Kent 24-02-41 SOC 01-03-41
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    P7816 54Sqn (Sgt. J. S. Gilders) (Declared Missing 21/02/41)


    P7833:
    01-01-41 54Sqn 05-04-41 Missing believed after engine failure on patrol off Clacton 20-04-41 SOC 30-05-41 P/O Colebrook killed.
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    P7833 54Sqn 'Portadown' (05/04/41-Sgt.Kean) (Shot down on 07/05/41. Sgt.Kean killed).

    Thanking you
    spitsortie

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    Hi

    Gilders is buried at Brookwood, CWGC has his date of death as 21/2/41. His body was recovered when the wreck of P7816 was dug in 1993 (http://www.redkitebooks.co.uk/AA/missingpilots.html#gilders).

    It looks as though Colebrook's a/c was P7383, altho' (your site?) http://www.thesoutheastecho.co.uk/54_squadron.htm
    has it as P7384.

    ABS P7383 421 Flt/54 Missing believed engine failure off Clacton 20/4/41

    P7816 41 Dived into the ground in haze on return from sweep, Ashford, Kent
    22/2/41 (sic).

    regards

    DaveW

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    21.2.41 P7816 41 Sqn crashed at Bodel Street, near Chilham Sgt J.S.Gilders killed.

    Regards, Ian

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    Quote Originally Posted by spitsortie View Post
    P7833:
    01-01-41 54Sqn 05-04-41 Missing believed after engine failure on patrol off Clacton 20-04-41 SOC 30-05-41 P/O Colebrook killed.
    and
    P7833 54Sqn 'Portadown' (05/04/41-Sgt.Kean) (Shot down on 07/05/41. Sgt.Kean killed).
    New Zealander Erl Joseph Kean was shot down and killed on 17 (R) 17 May 1941 while with 54 Sqn flying P7833 (serial confirmed by AHB).

    However, Air Britain's 'Gifts of War' has Colebrook shot down and killed on 20 Apr 1941 while with 54 Sqn flying P7833/Portadown.

    It would have been helpful had you also quoted the sources for your information.

    Errol

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    Long and detailed discussion on this subject here:



    http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/archive/index.php?t-9786.html

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    Many thanks all. The sources were just two different references found on the internet - thank you for clarifying it for me. A very knowledgeable group!
    spitsortie

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