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    Following on from my previous thread, see below. I have a report from the Toronto Star newspaper and Flight Magazine that F/O. George Pepper (29 Sqn) shot down three enemy aircraft in one night. I can find two claims credited to Pepper on the night of 31 October - 1 November 1942 both Do217s the third claim on the same night goes to S/L. J R D. Braham (29 Sqn) once again a Do217.

    Were the media a bit premature in giving Pepper all three claims at the time?

    Any help would be appreciated.

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    Peter.

    http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4650

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    Shores, in Aces High Vol 1, credits him with three Do217, in two sorties:

    1) 18m E Foreness
    2) W Canterbury
    3) off Foreness

    Braham's claim of a Do217 for that night is given as "7m E Foreness"

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    Amrit,

    Thanks for the reply.

    RAF Fighter Claims 1941 - 1943 - Forman, gives Braham's claim but gives two for Pepper, one 18 mile East of Foreness and one West of Canterbury, no mention of the third hence my query.

    Can anyone confirm the third claim?

    Regards
    Peter.

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    Hi Peter/Amrit,

    The Blitz:Then and Now Vol.3. mentions the following:-

    October 31-November 1 Night.

    A total of five aircraft were lost in the attack on Canterbury. In addition to the two detailed below three further Dornier Do217s, all from KG2, were lost. No.29 Squadron submitted claims for two aircraft destroyed east of Foreness.

    2./KG2 Dornier Do217E-4 (4255).
    Crashed at Great Pett Farm, Bridge, Kent 12.55 a.m.
    Aircraft U5+PK disintegrated.

    3./KG2 Dornier Do217E-4 (5397).
    Crashed into the sea south-west of Folkestone 1.20 a.m.
    Aircraft U5+OL sank in sea.

    Both shot down by Pepper/Toone.

    See:
    The Blitz:Then and Now. Volume 3.
    Ramsey,Winston G.
    London:Battle of Britain Prints Int.Ltd.,1990.
    p.185

    Col.
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    Thanks Col

    I'm beginning to think the media of the day were a bit over enthusiastic in their reporting of the events of that night.

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    I doubt that Shores would reproduce the fact that there were three claims for that night just from media reports.

    However, I have just downloaded Pepper's combat reports for that night and he only makes two claims.

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    Hi Peter,
    I have 1 Dornier 217 claimed at 20.40hrs and 2 Dornier 217's at 00.55 and 01.20hrs, 31 Oct 1st Nov.

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    Just re-read the combat report and I missed the fact that the second section of the report makes two claims, at the times stated by Alan

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    Hi all,

    just want to add that on 11.5.41 Sgt J. Dygryn (1 Sq Hurricane) claimed also 3 victories:
    00.35 He 111
    01.50 He 111
    03.25 Ju 88

    Pavel
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    AlanW / Amrit.

    Many thanks for you input all the help is appreciated

    Alan has very kindly emailed Peppers combat reports for that nights action.

    Three it is.

    Very well done guys. (and very well done to George Pepper and his crew)

    Regards
    Peter

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