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    Default Marauder II FB457 - 1. 10. 1943

    Hi all,

    anyone has more details - especially about the crew for:
    Marauder II FB457
    Wrecked when undercarriage prematurely raised on takeoff from Windsor Field, Bahamas Oct 1, 1943

    as stated at: http://home.att.net/~jbaugher/1941_5.html

    TIA

    Pavel
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    I want to re-open this thread. Though in 2009 I was told by RAF Museum in Hendon that there is no FAC for this accident I was able to find it early this year.
    There is no more news only the name of pilot. The interesting thing is tha there are three rows, normally there is captain on the first row and second pilot on the second row.

    So my question is - if the only pilot mentioned there is wriiten on the second row what this can mean?

    1. Captain only moved to the second row?
    2. 2nd pilot who was found quilty in fact?

    The pilot was J26915 P/O F. R. McGill (Canadian). Except one note in The Canadia Gazette I was unable to find any info about him. Would be someone able to provide me any more details about him and his war service?

    I am also interested in the whole crew names (and passengers if any aboard) on this flight.

    TIA

    Pavel
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    Hi Pavel,

    The F1180 always lists the captain as given in the Form 765c and/or C of I.

    Sometimes the second pilot or instructor/pupil names are given but there was no hard and fast rule.

    Where only one name is given, as in the case for this F1180, it can be written in any of the lines in box Pilot without extra meaning.

    So McGill was the captain that gave the signal, the second pilot who retracted the u/c is not named in the F1180.

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    Hi Ross,

    thanks for prompt reply!
    Yes I saw also F1180 with two pilots (Captain+2nd pilot) and also with Captain only but in both cases Cpatain was always written on the first row so it was the reason for my previous question.
    Anyway many thanks for this info as it means that the second pilot could be the man I am researching but it will be quite impossible to prove he was aboard.
    There is no record in his TC Card about this flight and as he is not mentioned in F1180 is there any other source where I can find who was the second pilot?

    Pavel
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    Hello Pavel,

    Perhaps it might be found by looking for info on it under its US serial number which was 41-35485 ?

    Alex

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    Alex thanks for idea, I tried this already in 2009 but got only some brief fact which are the same as for FB457. Now when I found finally F1180 and I am no more after the aircraft only after the names of the crew as I have enough info about the crash.
    As at the moment this aircraft was already in the RAF service with the RAF serial assigned I do not think that there will any further records under the original USAAF serial...

    On F1180 is mentioned 113 Wing but TNA catalogue shows the only record AIR 26/169 but with date range 1944 Mar.-1946 May only... Should be the earlier part somewhere alse available?

    Other helpful think should be the Log Book of the man I am researching which should be in a museum in Canada - as I was told by the widow but the museum replied years ago that they have not his log book so another "blind alley"...

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    Pavel, if your in contact with his family, are they in a position to obtain his RCAF service file, that is unless they already have gotten this. it might contain a cable/report with more details.
    Dennis Burke
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    Hi Dennis, yes I tried this in 2009 already... But as he served in the RCAF till the 60s and died in 2001 we have got only very limited amount of info, in general only few sheets covering his postings, promotions, decorations and that was all:(

    Pavel
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