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    Default F/S. R A. Smith No.220 Squadron

    Looking for the details relating to the loss of the following airman. F/S Smith is listed as being with No.220 Squadron which I believe were operating with the Fortress III out of the Azores at the time of this loss.

    Any help would be appreciated.

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    Peter.

    Name: SMITH, ROBERT ALEXANDER
    Initials: R A
    Nationality: Canadian
    Rank: Flight Sergeant (W.Op./Air Gnr.)
    Regiment/Service: Royal Canadian Air Force
    Unit Text: 220 (R.A.F.) Sqdn
    Date of Death: 04/11/1944
    Service No: R/188247
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: XVII. A. 7.
    Cemetery: GROESBEEK CANADIAN WAR CEMETERY

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    Hello Peter,

    4 November 1944
    No.226 Squadron
    Mitchell FW163: Y
    15:45

    Hit by Flak (Venlo) Force-landed B.80 . Cat 'B'.

    Sgt.H.J.Lorkin
    Sgt.N.Semple
    F/Sgt.T.V.Flint +
    F/Sgt.R.A.Smith +

    At Volkel, Typhoon pilots of 245 Squadron waiting to enter the runway for take-off, were horrified to see two crew attempt to bale out of a crippled Mitchell shortly before it touched down; both fell in the undershoot area and were killed instantly. The Mitchell, which had been hit by Flak while attacking the road and rail bridge at Venlo (a particularly stubborn target), crash-landed; the pilot and navigator survived.

    See:
    2nd Tactical Air Force Vol.Two.
    Shores,Christopher & Chris Thomas.
    Hersham:Classic Pubs.,2005.
    p.336.

    Col.
    Last edited by COL BRUGGY; 3rd April 2009 at 21:56. Reason: corrections

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    Many thanks Col, seems to be a typo in the CWGC site.

    Regards
    Peter.

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    CWGC replied:

    "Thank you for your email of 4 April 2009 about Flight Sergeant Robert Alexander Smith in Groesbeek Canadian War Cemetery .

    Our records are based on information given to the Commission by the relevant service authorities after both world wars, and we hold the information that he served with 220 Squadron.

    We will therefore, require some documentary evidence in addition to the information in the book you hold, before we can make any amendments to our records regarding the squadron he served with. I give below the address of the Personnel Records Unit of the National Archives of Canada should you wish to contact them.

    Personnel Records Unit, etc etc"

    I've contacted the Candian archvies and will follow up based on his service record.

    I was just noting the names above and the burials.

    F/Sgt R A Smith R/188247 buried in XVII. A. 7.
    F/Sgt T V Flint R/180859 buried in XVII. A. 8.
    Last edited by dennis_burke; 11th May 2009 at 21:26. Reason: Added burials
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    Also found

    Gazette Issue 37119 published on the 8 June 1945.

    Air Ministry, iqth June, 1945.
    The KING has been graciously pleased to give orders for the publication of the names of the following personnel who have been mentioned in despatches:
    Sergeants
    1800942 H. J. LORKIN, R.A.F.V.R.

    There is on FreeBMD
    Births Jun 1923
    Lorkin Henry J Bain W.Ham 4a 535

    I wonder if this is the same man listed above.

    There is also a commisioning record for a

    1579885 Norman SEMPLE (191670). 10th Feb. 1945
    But that is great conjecture only.

    Hopefully the Candian records can enlighten the situation.
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    I received and scanned a few pages from R A Smiths RCAF service record and sent them to the CWGC and they accepted this and have updated his online record to reflect 226 Squadron based on this service postings.

    http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2232725

    The service record I received included the other mens service numbers:

    Pilot 1800942 Sgt Lorkin H J
    Nav 1579885 Sgt Temple

    confirming the London Gazette Extracts we found above.
    Last edited by dennis_burke; 6th October 2009 at 14:25. Reason: added data for Semple and Lorkin
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    Dennis,

    Good job, well done. Congrats on your (BA) 'Air Crashes at Sea' effort, as well.

    Col.

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