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    I would like to have all information of these accidents. Thank you. Samuel. samhero@msn.com

    AC Type Nomad
    Number 3513
    Crashed at Mont-Joli 1944-05-09

    AC Type BATTLE
    Number 5556
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    AC Type BATTLE
    Number 1949
    Crashed at Mont-Joli 1943-10-07

    AC Type BATTLE
    Number R7441
    Crashed at Mont-Joli 1944-01-29

    AC Type BATTLE
    Number 2022
    Crashed at Mont-Joli 1942-05-19

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    Sam,
    7th October 1943
    Turret Battles 1949 & 5556 destroyed 3 miles east of the aerodrome at 1040 hours, four killed, one injured, one uninjured.
    I do not know who was in which aircraft but those involved were;
    First aircraft
    R152464 F/Sgt R.W. Dean, pilot, killed
    R220920 LAC K. McKinstry, trainee air gunner, killed
    R205612 LAC S.G. Trueman, trainee air gunner, killed
    1603562 LAC E.W. Astell RAF, trainee air gunner, killed
    Second Aircraft
    R108448 Sgt J.P.L. Doucet, pilot, uninjured
    R214599 LAC R.E. Pevey, trainee air gunner, seriously injured
    (Sgt Doucet was court martialled on the 13th November, outcome unknown)

    19th May 1942
    Battle 2022 crashed and burned in a field near Number 2 Control Tower between Sainte-Flavie and Sainte-Luce while on a gunnery exercise.
    C7558 P/O A.F. Halamka, pilot, missing, fell in St Lawrence
    R120501 Cpl C.J. Rooke, armament instructor, killed
    413494 LAC I.J. Shaw RAAF, trainee WAG, killed
    413287 LAC K.G. Weal RNZAF, trainee WAG, killed

    Ian Macdonald

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    Sam,

    From my 'For Your Tomorrow - A record of New Zealanders who have died while serving with the RNZAF and Allied Air Services since 1915 (Volume One: Fates 1915-1942)':

    Tue 19 May 1942
    Canada
    Gunnery exercise
    9 Bombing & Gunnery School, RCAF (Mont Joli, Quebec - 3 Training Command)
    Battle I 2022 - piloted by Plt Off A F Halamka, RCAF. At about 1000 black and white smoke was seen streaming from the Battle immediately before it crashed and burned in a field near Mont Joliís No 2 Central Tower, between Ste Flavie and Ste Luce. During 2022ís descent the pilot was seen to fall into the waters of the adjacent Gulf of St Lawrence and he is remembered on the Ottawa Memorial. An RAAF and RNZAF wireless operator-air gunner and their RCAF instructor died also, the former two being buried at Metis Beach.
    WOpAG: NZ413287 LAC Kenneth George WEAL, RNZAF - Age 19.

    Errol

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    Battle 5556 was actually L5556, which retained its RAF serial in RCAF service. It went to No. 9 B&GS at Mont Joli on 7 November 1942, having previously been at 31 B&GS at Picton since May 1941. Most of the aircraft that initially served at the RAF schools (like 31 B&GS) retained full RAF serials.

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    Thank you.

    Samuel

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    Samuel,
    Two more,

    9th May 1944
    Nomad 3513 fire in engine compartment, drogue operator bailed out and landed safely. The pilot followed but his head hit the aircraft tail and he did not open his parachute. Aircraft crashed on fire and exploded two miles SW of the aerodrome.
    R168256 F/Sgt C.A. Robertson, pilot, killed
    R150047 LAC J-P Mercier, drogue operator, uninjured

    29th January 1944
    Turret Battle R7441. On completion of a gunnery exercise A/Cpl Jones exited the turret in an incorrect manner and become trapped when the turret seat moved trapping him between the seat and the turret rim where he died of asphyxiation. The second student in the fuselage behind the turret was unable to reach the turret controls because Jones' body was in the way. (No damage to aircraft).
    R161770 Sgt W.G. Brent, pilot, uninjured
    425136 LAC N.V. M. Conway RNZAF, trainee air gunner, uninjured
    1581509 A/Cpl F.W. Jones RAF, trainee air gunner, killed

    Ian Macdonald

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    Ian and Samuel, I'm a little confused here.

    According to the Aircraft Record Card for R7441, it had a Category A accident on 13 November 1944 at 9 B&GS, which might have been Cpl. Jones' accident. There is no entry for 29 January 1944.

    From the copy I have of the card, I can see where the hand written accident date "13.11.44" might be read as "13/1.44", or even "23/1.44", but the date for filing the accident report is very clearly 13.11.44.

    The CWGC web site gives 29 January 1944 for the date of Jones death, but I wonder if this is in error, or if another aircraft was involved. It lists the burial location as Metis Beach, which is near Mont Joli.

    By the way, the Category A accident entry for R7441, without the aircraft being written off (it was still in service in January 1945, then scrapped in March 1945) tells me that someone was killed on 13 November 1944 - if this is an accurate date. At the time the RCAF used Category A for aircraft destroyed OR a fatality. I've never figured out how to search the CWGC site by date, can somebody else find a death on 13 November 1944, with a burial near Mont Joli?

    Chris, would you have an accident report for the 13 November 1944 accident? The report reference is N112.
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    There are several entries for the 13th of November 1944.

    But only 2 are in Canada.Both are burried in the Ottawa cemetery.

    There names are Morse and Gordon.

    A few others are on the Runnymede memorial.

    Do know if this helps.
    Regards Scott McIntosh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian M Macdonald View Post
    Samuel,
    29th January 1944
    Turret Battle R7441. On completion of a gunnery exercise A/Cpl Jones exited the turret in an incorrect manner and become trapped when the turret seat moved trapping him between the seat and the turret rim where he died of asphyxiation. The second student in the fuselage behind the turret was unable to reach the turret controls because Jones' body was in the way. (No damage to aircraft).
    R161770 Sgt W.G. Brent, pilot, uninjured
    425136 LAC N.V. M. Conway RNZAF, trainee air gunner, uninjured
    1581509 A/Cpl F.W. Jones RAF, trainee air gunner, killed

    Ian Macdonald
    Conway's given names were Neville Victor Marsden.

    Errol

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    Scott,

    Morse and Gordon lost their lives in a Canso on the west coast.
    (Incidentally, they are not buried in Ottawa; their names appear on the Ottawa Memorial to the missing).

    I believe that the November 1944 accident (which may have been on the 18th, not the 13th) was a belly landing and thus not likely to have involved loss of life.
    (Refer THE BATTLE FILE (Shail) published by Air-Britain).

    Ian Macdonald

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