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    Hi All,

    Information wanted on the shooting down of BOAC Liberator G-AGDR, on 15-2-42.

    Is this loss covered in Colin Cummings', 'Though Without Anger'? If so, I would appreciate learning what he has to say.

    I have four BOAC personnel:

    Captain (Junior Captain) John Alexander Stuart HUNTER
    Captain Robert Humphrey PAGE
    Flight Engineer Horace Reginald SPICER
    First Officer Richard John WILLIAMSON

    All commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial.

    There were, reportedly, nine crew/passengers. What of the others?

    Col.

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    Sorry Col, not in Cummings

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    Hi Col,

    A bit of googling found the following, but you may have this already?

    AM918 (ex 40-2357) s/n 9, delivered May 1941. Was converted to Liberator C I and was assigned to the RAF Ferry Command. Assigned to BOAC with registration G-AGDR.
    May 1941 delivered to England by Ferry Command (Pilot: W/C John Francis).
    24-25 January 1942, AM918 with civil registry G-AGDR flew nonstop from Hurn to Cairo. However, on its return trip, it was shot down in error by a Spitfire over the English Channel near Plymouth, England on 15 February 1943 (BOAC Captain: R.H. Page)(passengers: four crew: five killed) [6].


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consolidated_Liberator_I


    ALSO:

    15-02-1942
    Consolidated Liberator 1 G-AGDR of BOAC was shot down off the Eddystone Lighthouse, by a Spitfire.
    http://www.rafdavidstowmoor.org/pages/crash_log/crashlog42.htm


    Regards.
    Dave.

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    There is a Group of Civilian Casualties on CWGC that are called Air Crashes at Sea, Among them are:

    BELL, HAROLD EDWARD, H E Civilian Civilian War Dead 15/02/1942 Unknown

    Hmm, I thought there would be more. Thats only possibly helpful.

    This old thread on the forum suggested Franek might have a list of names?
    http://www.rafcommands.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=printer_format&om=274&forum=DCForum ID6
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    Dennis Burke
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    Hi Amrit,

    Thanks for the look-up.

    Dave, your help appreciated as well. I notice the wikipedia ref mentions 15 February 1943! I will get stuck into it this evening.

    Dennis, just caught your posting as I was logging on. Looks a possibility. Thanks.

    Regards,
    Col.

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    http://www.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/psf/box3/t43dd01.html

    "From London

    To The Adjutant General

    No. 830, March 19:

    A British Court of Enquiry found that Liberator Aircraft number AM 918 in the service of British Overseas Airways, carrying Lieutenant Colonel Townsend Griffiss and British military and civilian passengers, was shot down about 5 miles southwest of the Eddystone Lighthouse, near Plymouth, England, on Feb. 15, 1942 at about 8:50 A.M. British Standard Time. Plane was on non-stop flight from Cairo to England. Plane crashed into channel. Crew and all passengers were lost. No bodies have been recovered. Plane was shot down by 2 Polish pilots of the Polish Air Force who failed to identify it as friendly aircraft. Court also found that contributory cause was lack of exercise of proper and effective control of pilots by ground organization. Evidence is being taken with the view of bringing the 2 pilots before court martial. It is requested that no publicity be given to findings of Court of Enquiry. Formal certificate of death will be forwarded as soon as issued by British Casualty Section. Request this information be furnished also Chief of Army Air Forces."

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    Hi everyone,

    After Dennis' posting decided to look for more military personnel. Royal Navy Losses WWII, tosses up this possibility: 15-2-1942 MEDWAY, air crash. VINE,Charles O.M., Lieutenant, RNR, (O/P to ship - On passage to ship), MPK.

    See: http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1942-02FEB.htm.

    Great stuff, Amrit.

    Col.
    Last edited by COL BRUGGY; 16th April 2009 at 08:35. Reason: minor addition

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    Col

    More than one of the passengers may have been American. The Townsend Griffiss that I mentioned in post #6 is Townsend E. Griffiss, after whom Griffiss Air Force base is named:

    http://golddusteddreams.tripod.com/id19.html

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    Col,

    An email to the very helpful British Airways Museum at ba.1.museum@ba.com
    might be worthwhile.

    Errol

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    Hi Col

    I can't tell you more about Parker, sorry. That's all I have. However, I notice there is a Thomas Parker (civilian) killed in 'air crash at sea' dated 28/2/42. I wonder is this is 'our' man and that his body was not recovered until that date?

    Cheers
    Brian

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