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    I know that a group of US airmen visited Northolt, and possibly other RAF bases across England in mid 1941. They were uniformed, but I do not think they ever joined operations. I understand, as stated above that Griffiss was the first army man or AAC to die in Europe, nothing less, nothing more.
    By the way, does anyone know where I may find photos of the crew and passengers of G-AGDR?
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    Hi Gents,

    Certainly he was not the first American serviceman to die. The following loss happened months before Pearl Harbor.

    Esn D A Eldred USN was killed on 28th August 1941 when No.413 Sqn Catalina AH556 crashed on take off at Stranraer. He was captain in command.

    A small USN contingent was flying operations in the UK well before 1942.

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    The AH556 crash has been reported elsewhere as a training flight. Perhaps Griffiss was the first operational loss?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ross_McNeill View Post
    Hi Gents,

    Certainly he was not the first American serviceman to die. The following loss happened months before Pearl Harbor.

    Esn D A Eldred USN was killed on 28th August 1941 when No.413 Sqn Catalina AH556 crashed on take off at Stranraer. He was captain in command.

    A small USN contingent was flying operations in the UK well before 1942.

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    Hello Ross,
    Do you know first name, svcnr and first/permanent burial place of Ensign D.A. ELDRED ?
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    Hi Henk,

    Not completed my research on this man yet but so far it looks like:

    David Allen Eldred,

    Born 14 Nov 1915,

    Initally buried Stranraer

    re buried 19 May 1954 Ft. Rosecrans National Cemetery, San Diego. His grave marker gives the date of death as 23 Aug 1941.

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    Is this him: Date was August 23rd from my quick look at google.

    Name: David Allen Eldred
    Birth Date: 14 Nov 1915
    Death Date: 23 Aug 1941
    Interment Date: 19 May 1954
    Cemetery: Ft. Rosecrans National Cemetery
    Cemetery Address: P.O. Box 6237 San Diego, CA 92166
    Buried At: Section O Site 137

    his name does not appear on US National archives records or Rosters of the deda on ancestry.com. He falls outside of what is offically "World War Two" for the American Records its fair to say I think.
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    Thanks Ross and Dennis for this additional info on ELDRED.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken MacLean View Post
    A Rutgers University chronology of the war describes Griffiss as "the first US airman to die in the line of duty in Europe since the US entered World War II".
    Quote Originally Posted by Ross_McNeill View Post
    Certainly he was not the first American serviceman to die. The following loss happened months before Pearl Harbor.
    Esn D A Eldred USN was killed on 28th August 1941 when No.413 Sqn Catalina AH556 crashed on take off at Stranraer. He was captain in command.
    A small USN contingent was flying operations in the UK well before 1942.
    You might want to note the words "since the US entered World War II". Eldred certainly does not qualify in that category.

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    Hi
    came across this during a search mentions the lib
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    http://www.air-britain.com/libsample.pdf

    route is interesting ' routed over italy,germany,france'
    Last edited by brewerjerry; 23rd July 2009 at 18:47.

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    Board member Mark advise that CWGC told him Parker has been added to the Runny mede memorial.
    http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5449&page=3

    As of today June 2010 database reads

    Name: PARKER, HUBERT FRANCE
    Initials: H F
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Radio Officer
    Regiment/Service: British Overseas Airways Corporation
    Date of Death: 15/02/1942
    N.B.: This casualty has recently been accepted for commemoration by the Commission. However, it will not be possible to add his name to this Memorial immediately. Please contact the Commission before planning a visit, for more information.
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Memorial: RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL
    Dennis Burke
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