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    Question for Hugh

    How common was it for an airman to be awarded both the DFC and DFM

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    Leslie, Hi,
    It was impossible for an airMAN to be awarded a DFC and an AFM. A DFC was awarded to Commissioned Officer aircrew. An AFM was awarded to non-Commissioned aircrew (usually of Sgt, or Flt Sgt, rank - but not always).
    Now, it was not uncommon for non-Commissioned aircrew to have been awarded an AFM (or DFM), and then gone on to be Commissioned and subsequently awarded a DFC (or AFC). Indeed, I think there are instances of some aircrew being DFC, AFC, DFM, AFM! I am not sure but I think the Station Warrant Officer at the "real" 3 Grp HQ/RAF Mildenhall when it closed being such - but I'm sorry his name escapes me (Senior Moment!). The Medal Specialists will know!!
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    There were 418 DFM recipients who then went to get the DFC, according Maton, and 4 DFM* who then got the DFC

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    The one I always find the most interesting.

    F/O W.H McEACHERN RAAF won the the D.F.C with 50 Sqn LG 13/4/45 he went on to win the D.F.M as Flight Sergeant R.A.F for service in Malaya LG 16/6/1959 !
    I believe he later retired as a Squadron Leader RAF !

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    Thanks gentlemen 418 seems to be a pretty small percentage given the number of airmen in Bomber Command wouldn't you think? I ask because my father was awarded both. The DFM when he was F/S in 1943 and DFC in 1944 as a F/L.
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    Hi Leslie,

    just find interesting that he was an F/S in 1943 and F/L a year later...
    This is "jump" over three levels...

    Pavel
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    Hi Pavel

    His first posting was as a Lancaster pilot with 101 Special Duties Squadron. He was awarded the DFM for his fourth sortie. He then was asked and accepted a posting to Pathfinders 156 Squadron. From there it was 582 Squadron. He was shot down on his 44th operation. The DFC came through three or four days after he was shot down.

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    As an added incentive to join PFF, a double promotion was offered to a lot of aircrew, which would account in part for his seemingly rapid promotion. Also promotion was rapid at times due to heavy losses, so a step from senior NCO to Flt/Lt in a year was not that uncommon. It looks as though he did around forty sorties with PFF, no mean feat at that time of the war and being a holder of the DFM, he was obviously an accomplished pilot and worthy of promotion.
    Gaining a DFM was, in itself an achievement. In general it was quite a rarity in comparison to the award of the DFC. Usually it marked an outstanding individual act and was much thought of. Many aircrew officers, particularly pilots, received the DFC on completion of a tour of operations, so in many cases it could be described as a cumulative award gained over a period of time. Either way, both medals were earned the hard way and were thoroughly deserved IMHO.
    Leslie, for what it's worth, your Dad has my greatest respect.
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    Thank you for that Bill. I read somewhere that only 12 Canadians received both medals. How true that is I really don't know.
    My dad is still alive and (I hope Ross doesn't mind) we have just finished our book on his wartime career. Sean Feast, author of Carried on the Wind, Heroic Endeavour and Master Bombers has written an amazing synopsis intro for the book, which should be launched in early fall.
    Leslie

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    By a quick review of my data bases I find 37 members of the RCAF awarded both the DFC and DFM. Being in a rush to get away for the weekend, I shall have to leave transcription of their names to another day.

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