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    Hi all,

    I have a problem how to name this unit properly in English.

    I found that the full Polish name was:

    304 Dywizjon Bombowy "Ziemi Śląskiej im. Ks. Józefa Poniatowskiego

    but in English there are several variants:

    No. 304 (Silesian) Squadron
    No. 304 (Ziemia Slaska) Squadron or its translation No. 304 (Silesian Country) Squadron

    Does any of our Polish friends has any original document with listing of Polish Squadrons?

    TIA


    Pavel
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    Hi Pavel,

    In a book I have by the Polish Air Force Association entitled `Polish Air Force - Chronicle of Main Events` compiled by F.Kornicki it says:

    No 304 ZIEMI SLASKIEJ

    (LAND OF SILESIA)

    BOMBER SQUADRON.

    Don`t know if this helps?

    Regards.
    Dave.

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    Thanks Dave for another variant into my collection:-)

    Will see if anyone else will have some other or will know the origial one.

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    Hi Pavel.

    Have you had a look at,

    www.polishsquadronsremembered.com

    Robin.

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    Pavel,
    1) I don't think the 'im. Ks. Jozefa Poniatowskiego' was a part of the official name.
    2) I don't think the names referring to cities (in the case of fighter squadrons) or regions (for others) had official English equivalents. I think the squadron was simply
    No. 304 (Polish) Squadron
    in official English-language nomenclature.

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    Hi chaps,

    many thanks for your comments.

    Robin - thanks I know this site already
    VoyTech - in some English books the unit is mentioned as No. 304 (Silesian) Squadron.
    But I think I will use the simple English name as you suggested and in comment I will add its Polish name.

    Pavel
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    Quote Originally Posted by CZ_RAF View Post
    VoyTech - in some English books the unit is mentioned as No. 304 (Silesian) Squadron.
    Sorry, unclear wording on my part. By "official English-language nomenclature" I meant official documents from the period. Various books will use various names, but they are (to my knowledge) post-factum translations of the Polish name, rather than an official English title. Note that in many English-language books (to begin with the fundamental "Fighter Squadrons of the RAF and their Aircraft" for example) you will see that no Polish squadron had an official badge authorised, and that is simply because the badges were not approved through RAF channels but by the Polish Commander-in-Chief. The same applied to unit names, I think.

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    As VoyTech says, the contemporary documents would have referred to any Allied squadron serving with the RAF as, for example, “XXX Polish” or “XXX Dutch” squadrons. I stand to be corrected, but believe that this was the method of description dictated by the agreement between the RAF and the different Allied Air Forces which determined the chain of command and operational responsibilities.

    I would certainly be interested if anyone can point out RAF wartime correspondence using other descriptions.

    Bruce

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    Hi Pavel !
    Polish bomber Sqn at RAF :

    Name of bomber sqn descent of Poland parts ( land )

    300 sqn - " Ziemi Mazowieckiej " im. gen. W. Sikorskiego
    " Masovian land " named General Sikorski's

    301 sqn - " Ziemi Pomorskiej " im. Obrońców Warszawy ( 301 go to 138 go to 1586 go to 301 )
    " Pommern Land " named Warsow Defenders

    304 sqn - " Ziemi Śląskiej " im. Ks. J. Poniatowskiego
    " Silesia land " named Prince J. Poniatowski's

    305 sqn - " Ziemi Wielkopolskiej " im Mar. J . Piłsudskiego
    " Greatpolish land " named Marshall J. Piłsudski's

    Fighter Sqn :

    Name of fighter sqn descent of name main polish towns .

    302 sqn - " Poznański " (Poznań )
    303 " - im T. Kościuszki " Warszawski " ( Warszawa ) named T. Kościuszko's
    306 " - " Toruński " ( Toruń )
    307 " - " Lwowski " Nocny ( Night Lwów )
    308 " - " Krakowski " ( Kraków )
    309 " - " Ziemi Czerwińskiej " ( Czerwińsk Land ) _ one exception !!
    315 " - " Dębliński " ( Dęblin )
    316 " - " Warszawski " ( Warszawa )
    317 " - " Wileński " ( Wilno )

    318 " - Myśliwsko - Rozpoznawczy ( Fighters and Recognizer )

    and special fighter group :in Africa -

    Cyrk Skalskiego ( Skalski's Circus - in polish language ) used form in english - Polish Fight Team Sqn C at 145 Sqn RAF .

    That,s all .

    Pavel I'm need at once !!! information about Tschechoslovak pilots at 511 RAFnad 311 sqn , and somthing informations about Jiri Rajlich book 's and prof Jaroslav Valenta - whole in Liberator B-24 thema. Thats informations are SO SO MAIN to me !! Can you help me ?
    With best regards Mike
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    Hi Mike,

    many thanks for info about Polish Squadrons.

    I will try to help you if I can. Please conatct me offline on emal mentioned in my CP.

    Pavel
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