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    Default Unaccounted airmen - 14-3-1942

    What were the places of death registration for:

    A - Died on active service:
    AC2 Clifford L. ATTFIELD - 1397776;
    AC1 John CASEY - 966720;
    W/Cdt Wilfred W.B. HELLARD - 75174;
    AC2 Thomas W. HOLLIES - 1509861 - age 33 - 2849 Sqn RAF Regt;
    AC2 John ROBERTS - 977369;
    AC1 Kenneth SIVITER - 1243653 - age 17, and
    LAC Norman WRIGHT - 1107356 - 86 Sqn (Wick, Caithness - AC1 in Flight).

    B - Killed on active service:
    P/O (Pilot) Leslie BOOTH - 103493;
    S/Ldr George F. BROTCHIE - 39708 - 111 Sqn (Debden, Essex), and
    LAC (Obs u/t) Roy I. GILBERT - 1382516.

    C - Not found Flight archives:
    LAC (Obs u/t) G.E. Morris (first names ??) GLASSMAN - 640791, and
    AC2 Donald W.J. SHAW - 1474780.

    D - Also looking for unit and possible cause of death of following airmen commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial:
    AC2 James W. HOLMAN - 1381832 - Panel 98 - 37 Sqn (Shallufa, Egypt);
    AC2 Clifford MATHER - 1502722 - Panel 98 - 37 Sqn (Shallufa, Egypt);
    AC1 Bertram E. PERKINS - 1273669 - Panel 98, and
    AC2 Percival E. WARD - 1193761 - Panel 98.
    Being posted ME would have been resulted in a commemoration on the Alamein or Malta Memorial; is it possible that they were lost on a ferry flight from UK to the ME or at sea ??

    E - Proposed aircraft losses for this day:
    Anson I - N9750 - 3 AOS - crashed in forced landing Clee St.Margaret, 5 miles ENE of Ludlow, Shropshire.
    Spitfire I - P9494 - 57 OTU - collided with Spitfire X4270 near Hawarden.
    Oxford I - AT731 - 2 (P)AFU - crashed on take-off at night Nesbits Farm, Brize Norton.

    Regards and thanks for your help.
    Henk.

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    A - Died on active service:
    Clifford L. ATTFIELD - age 19 Surrey Mid East District;

    John CASEY - There are two names matching
    31 years old Ormskirk, Lancashire Wiki tells me Golborne was of old part of Lancashire?
    39 years old Newport, Monmouthshire

    Wilfred W.B. HELLARD - There is a Wilfred B Hellard age 60 in Deben district Suffolk, no second W initial

    Thomas W. HOLLIES - age 33 - Nottingham district

    John ROBERTS - There are 29 John Roberts in the Eng Wales register:
    most likely suggest the ones under age 45:
    age 33 East Dereham, Norfolk
    age 24 Wayland District, Norfolk
    neither of which fits with place of burial but does not need to match.
    There are 6 John Roberts between age 17-45 in Scotland in 1942.

    Kenneth SIVITER - age 27 (per CWGC also) Swindon District, Wiltshire

    Norman WRIGHT - age 34 in Truro district, Cornwall

    B - Killed on active service:
    Leslie BOOTH age 25 Holderness district, Yorkshire East Riding
    George F. BROTCHIE - age 25, Saffron Waldon district, Essex
    Roy I. GILBERT - age 33 Ludlow district, Shropshire.
    Clee St. Margerate is in this district. Connect to Anson I - N9750

    C - Not found Flight archives:
    G.E. Morris GLASSMAN - This is odd, there is a Morris Glassman age 28 in Ludlow district, connect to Anson I - N9750, see Gilbert above. Found him in Flight, May 14 issue,
    DIED OP WOUNDS OR INJURIES PECEJVED ON ACTIVE SERVICE— L.A/C. G. W. Bond; L.A/C. M. Glassman. (His name has been scanned as "L.A/C.M. Glassmail."

    There is a Morris Glassman born in 1914 on FreeBMD and nothing pops up for initials E M etc. I'll pop a message to CWGC.

    Donald W. J. SHAW - Age 28 in Lewisham District, London.
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    Bill Walker has Anson N9750 in Canada May 1941?

    http://www.ody.ca/~bwalker/RCAF_N9640_N9901_detailed.html

    is there an error somewhere?
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    Henk,

    Re: S/Ldr George F. BROTCHIE - 39708.

    'Wee Brotch' joined 111 Squadron in April 1941, becoming CO on 11 September. On 14-3-42 the squadron was operating from Debden, taking part in Wing practice. Two sections had got airborne, and Brotchie was leading the third onto the runway when his No 2, the Czech Sgt Zadrobilek*,( in R7192 ), inexplicably opened up and ran hard into the leader who was in BL429. Both Spitfires burst into flames with Brotchie being killed and the sergeant badly burned. The 111 record for the day notes that the Czech was, unlike so many of his tearaway companions, an excellent, and careful pilot, who had served with the squadron for a considerable time with no accidents. Brotchie was buried in his home town of Dundee.

    See:
    The History of 73 Squadron. Part I, 1917 to November 1940.
    Minterne,Don
    Dorchester,Tudor Pubs.,1994.
    p.196

    * ZADROBILEK,Ladislav, F/Lt, 787552 (132694), 310 Sqdn, por./R/plk. Born: 14/06/16. Hrochlv Tynec/Chrudim/, Pilot.

    See: http://www.army.cz/acr/raf/seznam/z

    Col.
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    Hello Dennis,

    Re: Anson N9750.

    "Is there an error somewhere?", Yes.

    N9750, should read: R9750.

    Anson I R9750 - 14 OTU - to RCAF 5.41.

    31 GRS/33 ANS/5 BGS S.O.C. 8-10-46

    See:
    The Anson File.
    Sturtivant,Ray (comp.)
    Tonbridge:Air Britain(Historians),1988.
    pp.65 & 241.

    Col.
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    Thanks Col,

    in my madness I took out a subscription to the RAF GRO war deaths, so..

    HOLMAN James W
    AIRCRAFTMAN NO 2 CLASS 1581332
    HMT MUNCASTER CASTLE 1942 7 311

    MATHER Clifford
    AIRCRAFTMAN NO 2 CLASS 1502722
    HMT MUNCASTER CASTLE 1942 10 258

    PERKINS Bertram E
    AIRCRAFTMAN NO 1 CLASS 1273669
    SS ''MUNCASTER CASTLE'' 1942 11 323

    WARD Percival E
    AIRCRAFTMAN NO 1 CLASS 1193761
    HMT MUNCASTER CASTLE 1942 14 37

    The ship was sunk it seems though on March 30 1942. More questions than answers.
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    Henk/Dennis,

    Re: W/Cdr Wilfred W B HELLARD - 75174.

    (DEATHS) ON ACTIVE SERVICE.

    HELLARD._ On March 14, 1942, suddenly, WING COMMANDER W. BETTESWORTH HELLARD, only son of the late Frederick Hellard, I.S.O., and husband of Flight Officer R.Hellard W.A.A.F. Pitreavie Castle, Dunfermline, Fife.

    See: The Times. Thurs. March 19, 1942. p.1.

    Col.
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    Henk/Dennis,

    Here are the details for the loss of the 'Muncaster Castle':-

    Fate: Sunk by U-68 (Karl-Friedrich Merten)
    Position: 02.02N, 12.02W - Grid FE 3366.
    Complement: 353 (24 dead and 329 suvivors)
    Convoy: ST-18 (dispersed)
    Route: Glasgow -Freetown(28 Mar) - Capetown - Colombo.
    Cargo: 265 passengers and 3000 tons of government stores and trucks.
    History: Completed in May 1928.

    Notes on loss:


    At 22.43 hours on 30 Mar, 1942, the 'Muncaster Castle' (Master Harold William Harper) was hit by a two torpedo spread from U-68 south-southwest of Monrovia. The U-boat earlier observed how the ship was dispersed from convoy ST-18 at 13.35 hours and followed the heavy zigzagging ship, running at 13 knots, until she stopped zigzagging in the darkness. The vessel settled immediately after the hits but did not sink and Merten had to use his last torpedo as a coup de grace at 23.16 hours. After the ship sank by the bows, the Germans observed more than ten lifeboats and questioned the survivors in one of them before leaving the area on home course.

    Four crew members, one gunner and 19 passengers were lost. The master, 69 crew members, eleven gunners, two naval signalmen and 246 passengers were picked up by HMS 'Aubretia' (K 96) (LtCdr V.F.Smith,DSO, RD, RNR) and the Greek steam merchant 'Ann Stathatos' and landed at Freetown.

    The master, Harold William Harper, was awarded the Lloyds War Medal for bravery at sea.

    See: http://uboat.net/allies/merchants/1484.html

    Col.
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    Hello Dennis,

    We might be 'jumping the gun' here on Henk, but what does your new toy, sorry, GRO Deaths, say about the units of the following men, lost on 30-3-42?

    1336129 Sgt Charles Frank BRYANT Runnymede Panel 79
    1153963 Sgt Kenneth Rosebrook CLARK RP80
    109511 P/O Robert William DARGAVEL RP69
    109522 P/O Gerald FEATHERSTONE RP69
    1379662 Sgt Robert GRISDALE RP 84
    109475 P/O Christopher NEWELL-JONES RP71
    1467632 AC2 Jack Douglas SPURGEON RP98
    1386108 AC2 Robert Stanley STAPLES RP98.

    Regards,
    Col.
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    Hi Henk, both Glassman and Gilbert were on Anson N9750 which crashed on the lower slopes of Brown Clee Hill killing two and injuring three.

    Cheers, Tom

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