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    Default John Peter Hutton's crash ferrying Blenheims

    Hi again.

    I wonder if any has any information about John Peter "Pip" Hutton (army number 149446) I can't find an air force number for him.

    He been at Sandhurst with my father in 1940 and both went on to the Loyal Regiment before both transfered to the RAF.

    These are rough dates gleaned from letters sent to Dad....

    July 41 with C Flight, No 1 Squadron, No 2 ITW Clare College.
    December 41 he was stationed at Peterborough
    April 42 he was at Cranwell night-flying Oxfords
    Dec 42 he was at Calne (Wilts) the aerodrome was at Lyneham but he was due to be posted abroad after Christmas
    Around August 1943 my father heard news that "Pip" Hutton had been reported missing in the Bay of Biscay while ferrying Blenheims to the Middle East or Africa.I have no exact date for his crash (in which I think he was killed)

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    Loyal R
    The undermentioned War Subs. Lts.relinquish their commns. 25th June 1942, on app't to commns in the R.A.F.V.R.:

    R R Howell (153326)
    J P Hutton (149445)

    GENERAL DUTIES BRANCH
    To be Plt. Offs. (emergency).
    25th June 1942-

    Richard Reginald HOWELL (123957)
    John Peter HUTTON (123958)


    Name: HUTTON, JOHN PETER
    Initials: J P
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Flying Officer
    Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
    Age: 27
    Date of Death: 09/09/1943
    Service No: 123958
    Additional information: Son of John Victor and Anne Hutton; husband of Mary Hutton (nee Radford), of Andover, Hampshire.
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 125.
    Memorial: RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL

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    Possibly adding confusion to the information already posted, Blenheim V EH332 with 1 OADU on a ferry flight from Portreath to Gibraltar made a forced landing on 14/03/43 at Pavoa de Varzim, Portugal. F/O Hutton, Sgt Graham and Sgt Lindsay were interned. I do not have any initials for the crew.

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    http://www.conscript-heroes.com/MI9-03.html
    has them as:

    3313 1217 (-)
    F/O J P Hutton
    1 OADU Blenheim EH332
    Ditched off Pavoa de Varzim Mar 43 - interned in Portugal

    3313 1218 (-)
    Sgt R L Graham
    1 OADU Blenheim EH332
    Ditched off Pavoa de Varzim Mar 43 - interned in Portugal

    3313 1219 (-)
    Sgt R W A Lindsay
    1 OADU Blenheim EH332
    Ditched off Pavoa de Varzim Mar 43 - interned in Portugal

    So they made it back to Britain it seems, but were lost on their next attempt:
    Name: LINDSEY, RONALD WILLIAM ALFRED
    Initials: R W A
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Sergeant
    Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
    Unit Text: Ferry Command. Sqdn
    Age: 23
    Date of Death: 09/09/1943
    Service No: 1174442
    Additional information: Son of William A. and Emily Lindsey, of Godalming, Surrey.
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 157.
    Memorial: RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL

    GRO Index simply lists his unit as: Lyneham

    Name: GRAHAM, ROBERT LEONARD
    Initials: R L
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Flight Sergeant
    Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
    Age: 21
    Date of Death: 09/09/1943
    Service No: 1385149
    Additional information: Son of Robert William and Margaret Rachael Graham, of Palmer's Green, Middlesex.
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 136.
    Memorial: RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL

    GRO Index lists his unit as "10 ADU"

    John P Hutton is listed as unit 'OADU LYNEHAM"

    Also on Runnymede for this date is:
    Thomas F Clements:
    whose unit is given only as 'PORTREATH' on the GRO Index.
    Dennis Burke
    - Dublin

    Foreign Aircrew and Aircraft Ireland 1939-1945
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    Thanks a lot for the information.

    Unfortunately it seems to me that I have now got even more questions!

    How would interred pilots get home from Portugal?
    What sort of time span would this take?
    Did this happen often?
    Where did he crash the second time on September 9th?
    Where exactly was he taking these aircraft before they both crashed?
    Is there a ferry command operations record book?

    Any ideas welcome.

    motherbird
    Last edited by motherbird; 4th June 2009 at 17:52.

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    Hi Motherbird,

    Hope to answer some of your questions about Portugal, bur first another piece of information that somoene can maybe complete. On 09/09/1943 WellingtonX LN382 went missing after leaving Portreath to Gibraltar. I have no information about crew. This information is from Portreath ORB. Had no time to search other Station ORB's, so maybe there are other aircraft also missing on this date.

    The fact that it is a Wellington is not strange as the OADU crew's where flying many tipes of aircraft during their transport's. Whatever needed transportation was put in their hands. As there is another crewmember's name in Runymede, also OADU, this could be a crew of four in direction Gibraltar with a Wellingtom.

    About the landing in Portugal. This is from the E&E Report.

    They had left RAF station Odiham around 06.30 BST in direction Gibraltar where they should await for further instructions to fly to some place in North Africa. At around 9.30 the starboard engine started giving trouble and 45 minutes later they had to descend at the sea.

    They had been warned that the Blehheim would sink at once they just released the front gun and jumped in to a K Type dinghy but the sea was rough and "it was upset almost at once".

    During 2 and a half hours they swimmed to shore and landed five miles north of Povoa do Varzim where a big crowd had gathered. In last meter's they received some help. They where taken to a private house where they drunk some coffe and eat something. They where then sent to some military barraks belonging to the Fiscal Police - a kind of border police from that time - and received some of their uniform's to wear.

    Four hours after the crash the plane arrived at a beach. Completely unserviceable but in one piece. They had thrown overboard the logs and other documents still during the flight. The portuguese ordered them to put the guns at safe as the machine was pointing inshore.

    They where one week in the barraks and where wel treated. The consul from Oporto visited them and told them not to try to escape. On the 21 March they where escorted to Elvas and satyed there until the 24 May when they where taken to Lisbon. they abandoned the country by air on the 27th and arrived at Whitchurch.

    There civil planes flying from Portugal to all the countries in war.

    There where more than 500 internees in Portugal during WWII. Many from OADU Crew's in transit to and from Gibraltar. USAAF, RAF and also Luftwaffe men where usual visit's around here and the local goverment was more than pleased to release them as fast as they could. Sometimes for political reasons it took some more time. The objective was to get the planes in order the reinforce our small airforce.

    Still about Hutton he is apointed as being born on 1 October 1915. The transfer from Territorials to RAFVR was on Jun-Jul 41. As peacetime profession he was a Company Director.

    Hope this answer's some of your questions,
    Carlos Guerreiro

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    On the second attempt the crew and aircraft simply failed to arrive. What happened is not known. It is possible they were shot down by a Ju.88 over the Bay of Biscay. Such things were not infrequent.

    It is not likely that Hutton and his crew were permanently attached to Ferry Command or the OADU, though a few Air Transport Auxiliary personnel were. Rather it is more likely that after their failed attempt to ferry a Blenheim V to North Africa, presumably to be posted to one of the unlucky squadrons using the type, they went back to OTU, retrained on Wellingtons, and were ferrying one out to Italy to join 205 Group, where an air bomber would be picked up. By the autumn of 1943 Blenheim Vs had proved utterly inadequate in the Tunisian campaign and were being phased out as quickly as possible.

    David

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    Would anyone know if there where any photographs taken of the survivors or the plane that was washed up, and what happened to the plane afterwards?
    Ronald Lindsey would have been my partners cousin.




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    Quote Originally Posted by dennis_burke View Post
    http://www.conscript-heroes.com/MI9-03.html


    has them as:

    3313 1217 (-)
    F/O J P Hutton
    1 OADU Blenheim EH332
    Ditched off Pavoa de Varzim Mar 43 - interned in Portugal

    3313 1218 (-)
    Sgt R L Graham
    1 OADU Blenheim EH332
    Ditched off Pavoa de Varzim Mar 43 - interned in Portugal

    3313 1219 (-)
    Sgt R W A Lindsay
    1 OADU Blenheim EH332
    Ditched off Pavoa de Varzim Mar 43 - interned in Portugal

    So they made it back to Britain it seems, but were lost on their next attempt:
    Name: LINDSEY, RONALD WILLIAM ALFRED
    Initials: R W A
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Sergeant
    Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
    Unit Text: Ferry Command. Sqdn
    Age: 23
    Date of Death: 09/09/1943
    Service No: 1174442
    Additional information: Son of William A. and Emily Lindsey, of Godalming, Surrey.
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 157.
    Memorial: RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL

    GRO Index simply lists his unit as: Lyneham

    Name: GRAHAM, ROBERT LEONARD
    Initials: R L
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Flight Sergeant
    Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
    Age: 21
    Date of Death: 09/09/1943
    Service No: 1385149
    Additional information: Son of Robert William and Margaret Rachael Graham, of Palmer's Green, Middlesex.
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 136.
    Memorial: RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL

    GRO Index lists his unit as "10 ADU"

    John P Hutton is listed as unit 'OADU LYNEHAM"

    Also on Runnymede for this date is:
    Thomas F Clements:
    whose unit is given only as 'PORTREATH' on the GRO Index.

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    Hello Searcher Hutton,

    As pchutton's post was a year ago and if you have not already done so, it might pay you to send a private message - go to pchutton post of Jan 17, 2012 click on his name and use private message facility in the window that opens.

    Good luck,

    Ian

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    Quote Originally Posted by ian94avenge View Post
    Hello Searcher Hutton,

    As pchutton's post was a year ago and if you have not already done so, it might pay you to send a private message - go to pchutton post of Jan 17, 2012 click on his name and use private message facility in the window that opens.

    Good luck,

    Ian
    Thank you Ian.. I have done that now

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