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    Default 16 Sqdn Lysander - shot down 4/11/1941

    Hi All,

    Does anyone have any information on a Lysander, shot down on a dawn sortie on 4th November 1941. It was probably from 16 Squadron. The pilot was a squadron leader.

    Many thanks in advance,

    Russ

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    Hello Russ,

    Pardon my asking, but are you sure about the date?

    Col.

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    I think so Col.

    The log entry reads for 4/11/1941 'Dawn sortie, S/L shot down in flames, 3, 109 ME's'

    Russ

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    Hello Russ,

    Here is the reason for my rather odd query:-

    11-6-1941
    No.16 Sqn.
    Lysander IIIA V9510

    Shot down in flames over Exeter by Fw Wolfgang Falkinger, of III./JG2

    37029 S/L (Pilot) Donald WALKER DFC +
    570323 Sgt (W.E.Mech.) Frank Gordon Fallows PERRY +

    Date is way out, but there are similarities.

    Col.

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    Hmmmm...thanks Col.

    I have V9510 last mentioned on 25 May and S/Ldr Walker last mentioned on 30th March, obviously both before 11th June (todays date)??

    but the log entry is for the date I have said....

    Can I ask where you got your info, obviously 16 Squadron seems to drop between bombers and coastal (being army co-op the loss is not mentioned in either Ross's or Chorleys books).

    Russ

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    Hi
    Location not actually 'over Exeter', It was shot down 5km west of Dawlish, ( roughly Ideford / Luton area), seem to remember something about a wing being found in the 80's,
    (or it might have been a wing of a hurricane that crashed nearby late'40)
    cheers
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    http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2700782
    Casualty Details
    Name: WALKER, DONALD
    Initials: D
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Squadron Leader (Pilot)
    Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force
    Unit Text: 16 Sqdn.
    Date of Death: 11/06/1941
    Service No: 37029
    Awards: D F C
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: Plot F.L.4. Grave 11.
    Cemetery: THORNTON-LE-FYLDE (CHRIST CHURCH) CHURCHYARD


    http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2691504
    Casualty Details
    Name: PERRY, FRANK GORDON FALLOWS
    Initials: F G F
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Sergeant (W.E. Mech.)
    Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force
    Unit Text: 16 Sqdn.
    Age: 21
    Date of Death: 11/06/1941
    Service No: 570323
    Additional information: Son of George Gordon and Lillian Maude Perry, of Nailsea.
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: Lower Sec. North of Church.
    Cemetery: BACKWELL (ST. ANDREW) CHURCHYARD
    Last edited by brewerjerry; 11th June 2009 at 23:18. Reason: extra info

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    http://www.srcfc.org.uk/includes/Skyline_july2007.pdf (page 5) also states the 11th.

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    Hello Russ,

    I'll try and keep this as brief as possible.

    The actual info presented was a summary drawn up from many sources. My initial interest was fired by a history of No.16 Sqn., in Air Pictorial, by J D R Rawlings, in June, 1961 (pp.178-9). Info over the years came from the now ancient, AB V-W Serials (1983, p.51), which, incidentally, quoted the date as 11-6-44! Later, 1941 The Turning Point Part 2, by John Foreman (pp.297-8) added more, and the CWGC, came up with the basics on S/L Walker.

    In more recent times, information was gleaned from Geoff's Search Engine and various Continental websites confirmed Falkinger as the culprit.

    Many on this Forum, could tell you a similar tale. In these information-rich days, with data at your fingertips, our efforts must look positively amateurish, and they were, but there was no other way for most of us, particularly out here in the Colonies.

    Finally, the 'over Exeter' bit, should have read, 'near Exeter', not precise, but the best I could do.

    Regards,

    Col.
    Last edited by COL BRUGGY; 12th June 2009 at 01:59. Reason: minor correction

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    Quote Originally Posted by COL BRUGGY View Post
    Finally, the 'over Exeter' bit, should have read, 'near Exeter', not precise, but the best I could do.
    Hi
    Must admitt I had an unfair advantage on the location,
    I used to live about 15-20 mins from the site and researched all the crashed ww2 a/c in devon & cornwall....
    before anyone asks....
    I gave my files (paper only those days) away before emigrating.
    cheers
    jerry

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    Col, Jerry and Amrit,

    Thanks very much for this information, I appreciate the effort!

    It does seem I have the correct crash but the wrong date, however I think I will order the ORB entry for 4th November to see if anything did actually happen then.

    Many thanks again,

    Russ

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