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    Default Sgt. J F. Roberts RAFVR. 15/11/1942

    Looking for details leading to the loss of the following airman.

    As ever, any help would be appreciated

    Regards
    Peter.


    Name: ROBERTS, JOHN FRANCIS
    Initials: J F
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Sergeant (W.Op./Obs.)
    Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
    Unit Text: 46 Sqdn.
    Age: 21
    Date of Death: 15/11/1942
    Service No: 656877
    Additional information: Son of Francis Hugh and May Roberts, of Ainsdale, Lancashire.
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: V. C. 16.
    Cemetery: PORT SAID WAR MEMORIAL CEMETERY

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    Hello Peter,

    Three No.46 Sqn Beaufighters missing on 15/11/1942.

    The circumstances were:-

    Three Beaufighters of 46 squadron were detached to Malta, but never arrived, their fate being unknown. Two days later German Intelligence reported that fighters had shot down three Beaufighters.

    See:
    Fighters over the Desert.
    Shores,C & H.Ring
    London:Neville Spearman,1969
    p.208

    There are six known No.46 Sqn deaths on this date that need to be matched up to aircraft (one of the a/c being, T5261).

    The six casualties:-

    149876 F/O Henry DUNCAN - Alamein Memorial.
    106067 F/O Geoffrey Anthony GLIBBERY - Buried Port Said War Memorial Cemetery.
    126516 F/O Kenneth Frederick George INSKIP - Alamein Memorial.
    656877 Sgt (W.Op./Obs.) John Francis ROBERTS - Buried Port Said War Memorial Cemetery.
    47639 F/O Thomas Stanley SOUTH - Alamein Memorial.
    106849 F/O Joseph Aubrey WHITE - Alamein Memorial.

    Col.
    Last edited by COL BRUGGY; 10th July 2009 at 15:10. Reason: minor correction

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    Many thanks Col.

    Maybe someone can come along and match the aircraft to the losses, with luck.

    Once again thank you.

    Regards
    Peter.

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    Hello Peter,

    Here is one of those oddities of war that sometimes, have you scratching your head!

    Although patrols were maintained every day, little trade came the Squadron's (249) way although the losses continued. At 1025 on 15 November (1942), three Beaufighters of 46 Squadron were ordered to fly to Malta on detachment from the Western Desert, but all three failed to arrive. During the afternoon four Spitfires from 249 carried out a search for the missing aircraft, but from this operation Sgt John Roberts*, a 21-year-old Welshman from Rhosllanerchrugog, failed to return. It was assumed that his aircraft (EP199 T-K) had crashed into the sea although the cause of its loss was undetermined.

    * 1077342 Sgt John Edward ROBERTS RAFVR. Commemorated on the Malta Memorial.

    See:
    249 at War:The Authorised History of the RAF's Top-Scoring Fighter Squadron of WWII.
    Cull,Brian.
    London:Grub Street,1997.
    pp.156 & 264.

    Scary!

    Col.
    Last edited by COL BRUGGY; 11th July 2009 at 05:42. Reason: minor correction

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    Thanks for that Col,

    Oddities indeed. Just goes to show how mix ups can occur.

    Regards
    Peter

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    GRO Military deaths also have JF Roberts as with 46sqdn, he is also listed on the Memorial Roll for King George V School Southport as Sgt J F Roberts RAFVR, W/Op-Observer, 46sqdn.
    Last edited by AlanW; 11th July 2009 at 10:10.

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    CWGC has him as a WOp/Obs with 46 Sqn but it also as a J E Roberts being lost from 249 Sqn and commemorated on the Malta Memorial

    Malcolm
    Last edited by malcolm_raf; 11th July 2009 at 09:57. Reason: new info

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    Quote Originally Posted by COL BRUGGY View Post
    Hello Peter,

    Three No.46 Sqn Beaufighters missing on 15/11/1942.

    The circumstances were:-

    Three Beaufighters of 46 squadron were detached to Malta, but never arrived, their fate being unknown. Two days later German Intelligence reported that fighters had shot down three Beaufighters.

    See:
    Fighters over the Desert.
    Shores,C & H.Ring
    London:Neville Spearman,1969
    p.208

    There are six known No.46 Sqn deaths on this date that need to be matched up to aircraft (one of the a/c being, T5261).

    The six casualties:-

    149876 F/O Henry DUNCAN - Alamein Memorial.
    106067 F/O Geoffrey Anthony GLIBBERY - Buried Port Said War Memorial Cemetery.
    126516 F/O Kenneth Frederick George INSKIP - Alamein Memorial.
    656877 Sgt (W.Op./Obs.) John Francis ROBERTS - Buried Port Said War Memorial Cemetery.
    47639 F/O Thomas Stanley SOUTH - Alamein Memorial.
    106849 F/O Joseph Aubrey WHITE - Alamein Memorial.

    Col.
    Three Beaufighters of 46 Sqn missing on a ferry flight from Egypt to Malta; serials T5261, T4872 and T4982.
    Regards,
    Henk.

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    Form 1180

    T4872
    P/O Glibbery

    T5261
    P/O White

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    Ross
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    149876 F/O Henry DUNCAN - Alamein Memorial.
    106067 F/O Geoffrey Anthony GLIBBERY - Buried Port Said War Memorial Cemetery.
    126516 F/O Kenneth Frederick George INSKIP - Alamein Memorial.
    656877 Sgt (W.Op./Obs.) John Francis ROBERTS - Buried Port Said War Memorial Cemetery.
    47639 F/O Thomas Stanley SOUTH - Alamein Memorial.
    106849 F/O Joseph Aubrey WHITE - Alamein Memorial.

    Guys.

    Could we assume that Sgt. Roberts was on T4872 with F/O Glibbery as both are buried at Port Said Memorial Cemetery?

    Regards
    Peter.

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