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    Default 269 Sqn Loss 23/7/40 P/O Appleby

    Dear All,

    I am trying to find out a little more about a grave in a churchyard local to me.

    It is to P/O William Appleby, 42947, who is listed on the CWGC as a WOp/AG.
    he was killed on the 23rd of July 1940 and in buried in St Mary and St James
    churchyard, Morpeth.

    I was there taking photos of the graves in the CWGC plot in the new cemetery
    when I came across his grave (it is a private type, not CWGC) in the old
    part of the churchyard.

    Any help or information would be great.

    Johnnie

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    Details taken from RAF Coastal Command losses. Ross McNeill

    23 July 1940
    269 Squadron
    Hudson I P5152 UA-J
    Op: Escort O.A188
    Base: Wick

    Collided with Hurricane P2862 whilst taking off and crashed.

    Regards
    Peter.
    Last edited by peter; 10th January 2008 at 10:22.

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    Thanks for that. Do you have any idea what happened to the
    rest of the crew (or have their names).

    Johnnie

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    Crew of Hudson I P5152

    F/L. C D W. Price 37985 +
    P/O. J T T. Fleming 41277 +
    P/O. W. Appleby 42975 +
    Sgt. L. Land 623762 +

    F/L. Price rests in St. Cattwg Churchyard, Llanspyddid, Brecknockshire; P/O. Appleby in SS Mary and James Churchyard Morpeth, Northumberland; while both P/O. Fleming from wellington, New Zealand, and Sgt. Land are buried locally in Wick cemetery.

    Coastal Command Losses. Ross McNeill.

    Regards
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    Hi

    Just to add to Peter's posts the pilot of Hurricane P2862 was D L Bisgood who was seriously injured. However, her recovered and went on to receive a DFC for undertaking a number of dangerous Met Flights. He was killed in 1947 in a crash. Anyone know which aircraft (202 Squadron)?



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    Amrit

    Halifax Met 6 ST807 of 202S lost at position 62.00N, 01.00W 18/4/47. There is no clear indication as to what happened to this a/c and it is assumed that the pilot lost control, probably at low level, but this is conjecture. Some wreckage was located in the area.

    Douglas Leonard Bisgood
    John Singer Anderson
    Donald James McMahon
    Paul Bramwell Higgins
    Ronald Miles
    Albert Alexander Thompson
    Fred Orwin
    Stanley Baldwin
    David James

    from 'Final Landings'

    regards

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    Last edited by davew; 10th January 2008 at 11:44. Reason: A/c serial No added

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    Thanks for all of that. Quite an interesting story. I should be up in Wick
    later in the year so will have to try and visit the graves of the New
    Zealanders.

    Johnnie

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    Dave,

    I'm afraid Cummings is in error with this one, but it's not his fault, rather the F1180. This does indeed give the loss as occurring at 62N 01W, but there seems to have been a mix-up. The aircraft was on a routine BISMUTH sortie (a triangular track westwards from Aldergrove) when it was lost. The last contact with the aircraft was made at 0919 hours when the aircraft was at 55.3N 12W (consistent with the BISMUTH track); it reported it was returning to Aldergrove with instrument problems. Nothing was ever heard or seen of the aircraft again.

    It is perhaps worth noting that Bisgood was not piloting the aircraft, but was on board as the Training Captain.

    The 202 Sqn ORB details an extensive sea and air search in deteriorating conditions over both northwest Ireland and the track WNW from Aldergrove - not north towards the Shetlands.

    Whilst with 1403 Met Flight earlier in his career, Bisgood had piloted the very first operational met reconnaissance from Bircham Newton (14.4.1941). In April 1941 he was returning to base from a met sortie when he came across three Ju88s; these he stalked and destroyed one before returning to base - he was awarded the DFC for this action. His citation read:


    “This officer has carried out a large number of meteorological flights, often involving flying in extremely unfavourable weather conditions. One day, while carrying out one of these missions, he observed three enemy bombers. Flight Lieutenant Bisgood, decided to attack and, skilfully using cloud cover, effected a surprise attack on one of the Junkers. Following a long burst from Flight Lieutenant Bisgood’s guns, the enemy bomber caught fire and plunged into the sea. Previously, Flight Lieutenant Bisgood had destroyed three hostile aircraft whilst flying with a Hurricane squadron. He has at all times shown a high devotion to duty, and by his skill and determination he has obtained the required meteorological data on many occasions when otherwise it would not have been obtained.”

    This has been discussed previously on the old RAFC, but I do not have the thread.

    Brian
    Last edited by Lyffe; 10th January 2008 at 15:12. Reason: Additional info

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnie214 View Post
    Thanks for all of that. Quite an interesting story. I should be up in Wick
    later in the year so will have to try and visit the graves of the New
    Zealanders.

    Johnnie
    Johnnie,

    Just the one New Zealander on board P5152 (you may have misinterpreted Peter's post?).

    Tue 23 Jul 1940
    Coastal Command
    Operational
    269 Squadron, RAF (Wick, Caithness-shire - 18 Group)
    Hudson I P5152/(P or J) - took off at 0415 captained by Flt Lt Price, RAF, and immediately collided with a 3 Sqn Hurricane I (P2862), the bomb load exploding after it crashed and caught fire. All four crew died, the 2nd pilot being buried at Wick. The Hurricane pilot survived but was seriously injured.
    2nd Pilot: 41277 Plt Off James Tayne Taine FLEMING, RAF - Age 20. 737hrs. 96th op.

    [from Vol One of 'For Your Tomorrow]

    FLEMING, Pilot Officer James Tayne Taine.
    41277; b Hamilton 10 May 20; Wgtn Coll; clerk - Brunner, Mond & Co, importers, Wgtn. Selected for RAF SSComm by 23 May 38, emb for UK 6 Jul 38, arr 11 Aug 38; RAF & to Hatfield/1E&RFTS Pilot u/t 29 Aug 38, SSComm [wef 29.8.38] & 1 Depôt 29 Oct 38, 3FTS 12 Nov 38, Pilots Badge 4 Mar 39, 1ArmTS 6 May 39, 269 Sqn (Anson, Hudson; 96 ops) 12 Jun 39 [att SAN (Anson) 11 Mar-4 Apr 40], kao 23 Jul 40. Wick Cemetery - O.412, Caith., Scotland. Son of Archibald Munnoch & Hazel Darling Fleming (née Taine), Karori, Wgtn. [phot. TWN 31.7.40].

    [from draft for Vol Three]

    Errol

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    Thanks for that. I had indeed misread the message. I'm going up that way
    in April so should be able to visit the graves of both Land and Fleming.

    Fleming seems to have flown a lot of ops. Would this have been common so early
    in the war?

    Johnnie

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