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    Default Unaccounted airmen - 2-6-1942

    What were the places of death registration for:

    A - Died on active service:
    LAC Donald W.A. BUCKINGHAM - 846296 - 908/909 (Balloon) Sqn (East Ham, East Ham);
    AC2 Ivor J. LEWIS - 1432017, and
    LAC Lewis G. STRACHAN - 925106 - 32 Sqn (West Malling, Kent).

    B - Died of wounds or injuries received on active service:
    Sgt (Ag) Alexander A. WEIR - RAAF 405369 - 461 Sqn - looking for serial number of Sunderland.
    Intercepted in the centre of the 'Derange' area (Biscay Bay) by eight Ju 88s; during a pass the starboard galley gunner was mortally wounded. Aircraft returned safely to Pembroke Dock.

    Regards and thanks for your help.
    Henk.

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    Henk,

    Re: AUS405369 Sgt Alaexander Allan WEIR RAAF + 2-6-1942

    3-6-1942
    14 OTU
    Oxford I AS904
    Air Test

    Took off Cottesmore. While flying straight and level the trainer went into a slow flat spin from which it failed to recover before hitting the ground near Greetham, 5 miles north-east of Oakham. Three are are buried in the extension to Cottesmore (St. Nicholas) Cemetery; as yet, the fourth man has not been identified. (The fourth man could be Weir)

    S/L D J Bell DFC +
    LAC R D Price +
    AC1 F A Hill +
    Sgt A A Weir RAAF +

    See: BCL7/123

    Some reservations about the above. See later posting by Amrit.

    Col.
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    Me again, Henk,

    Re: 461 Sqn.

    2-6-1943

    Sunderland EJ134:UT-N

    530285 Sgt (Flt Engr.) Edward Charles Ernest MILES RAF +

    Buried Pembroke Dock Military Cemetery.

    Briefly:

    ...The first pilot, navigator and wireless operator were injured. So badly battered was the Sunderland by this time that it required the combined strength of Walker (Capt.) and the first pilot, Pilot Officer W Dowling to keep it in the air. The inter-communication system was shot away, the control wires were damaged and the airframe twisted. The port-outer propellor and its reduction gear fell off and crashed into the sea. The second pilot then discovered the flight engineer, Sergeant E Miles, RAF, collapsed across the starboard galley gun, mortally wounded in the stomach. He died some twenty minutes later.

    See:
    The Anzac Squadron:A History of No 461 Squadron Royal Australian Air Force 1942 - 1945.
    Ashworth,Norman.
    Carlisle:Hesperian Press,1994
    pp.103 & 260

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    Quote Originally Posted by COL BRUGGY View Post
    Henk,

    Re: AUS405369 Sgt Alaexander Allan WEIR RAAF + 2-6-1942

    3-6-1942
    14 OTU
    Oxford I AS904
    Air Test

    Took off Cottesmore. While flying straight and level the trainer went into a slow flat spin from which it failed to recover before hitting the ground near Greetham, 5 miles north-east of Oakham. Three are are buried in the extension to Cottesmore (St. Nicholas) Cemetery; as yet, the fourth man has not been identified. (The fourth man is Weir)

    S/L D J Bell DFC +
    LAC R D Price +
    AC1 F A Hill +
    Sgt A A Weir RAAF +
    Col,

    that is interesting about the addition of Weir - see my post on "Unaccounted airmen - 3-6-1942" - http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5857

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    Hi Amrit,

    I notice that I held off sending the information on Weir to Bill Chorley. I had problems with the date and the precise location of his death. Weir's death is listed as 2-6-1942, and the accident occured on 3-6-1942. His place of death is listed on his AWM108 Roll of Honour Circular as; Cottesmore Aerodrome, close, but not quite Greetham!

    It must be said that, Weir is listed on the AWM148 Roll of Honour as being killed in 'Flying Battle'. Furthermore, he is listed as, "Died of Wounds or Injuries received in Action'. in The Times, August 26, 1942. It could just be, that he was wounded in one of the large raids in May/June, and succumbed to his wounds in the SSQ Cottesmore.

    Be interesting to see what comes in on this.

    Col.
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    Hi Henk
    Buckingham,36, registered at Ashford, Kent
    Lewis,20, registered at Tavistock, Devon
    Strachan,22, registered at Hailsham, Sussex
    The Sunderland incident is very close to one described in a book published in 1968 and edited by Gavin Lyall, 3 vols with one called The War in the Air, the name of the galley gunner who died is given as Miles and there is no mention of the name Weir, but the crew is not listed merely mentioned in context and may not be complete. The date is also suggested as being in 1943 and 2/6/43 is also the date given by Chris Ashmore in his book "RAF Coastal Command-1936-1965". In both cases the captain of the a/c is given as Flt C Walker.
    Regards
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    Thanks all. WEIR will still be a problem. For the time being on AS904 with a note re date of death.
    Regards,
    Henk.

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    Henk,

    Here is the crew of 461 Sqn Sunderland EJ134:UT-N, on "2-6-1943".(Please note date).

    AUS404610 F/Lt Colin Braidwood WALKER RAAF
    AUS400788 P/O Wilbur James DOWLING RAAF
    AUS411112 P/O James Collier AMISS RAAF
    AUS403778 P/O Kenneth Macdonald SIMPSON RAAF
    530285* Sgt Edward Charles Ernest MILES RAF +
    AUS26697 Sgt Phillip Kelvin TURNER RAAF
    576061 F/Sgt Alfred Eric FULLER RAF
    AUS404783 F/Sgt Sydney Frederick MILLER RAAF
    AUS414701 Sgt Albert LANE RAAF
    AUS26588 Sgt Louis Stanley WATSON RAAF
    AUS407499 F/Sgt Ray Marston GOODE RAAF

    *Later 52035 P/O.

    On return the Sunderland was beached at Praa Sands, near Marazion, Cornwall.

    Dick,

    The extract published in Gavin Lyall's, Freedom's Battle - The War in the Air, is from the late Ivan Southall's book - They Shall Not Pass Unseen.(Sydney:Angus & Robertson,1956)

    Col.
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    The Q3 register has a 19 year old Alexander A Weir registered in it in the Oakham district, Rutland.

    Cottesmore is in Oakham district.
    http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/oakham.html

    Register ref: Vol. 7a pg.482 buried Cottesmore Compt. 11. Grave 22.

    Also in Oakham district
    Francis A Hill age 21, Vol 7a 481 Buried Cottesmore Compt. 11. Grave 27.
    Richard D Price age 22 Vol 7a 481 Biried Cottesmore Compt. 11. Grave 24.
    David J Bell age 30 Vol 7a 481 Buried Cottesmore Compt. 11. Grave 23

    John A Wilkinson age 21 is registered in Oakham district also! Vol 7a 481

    The AWM Roll of Honour list Weir as 14 Operational Training RAF so it must be that he was on possibly the Cologne Raid, some nights before. My little copy of Barker's 'The 1000 Plan', old though it is does credit 14 OTU with missions that night.

    If he was on AS904 notwithstanding it being missed, his A705 file would likely be indexed with aircraft and the other crew.
    Dennis Burke
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    Foreign Aircrew and Aircraft Ireland 1939-1945
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henk Welting View Post
    Thanks all. WEIR will still be a problem. For the time being on AS904 with a note re date of death.
    Regards,
    Henk.
    Hi all,
    After adding AC1 John WILKINSON - 1429514 as crew member nr. 4 on Oxford AS904, RAAF-Sgt A.A. WEIR - 405369 again over to my list of unaccounted airmen.
    Regards,
    Henk.

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