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    I have just recorded two WAAF Casualties and note that both their RAF husbands also died on the same day they are:-

    Sergeant Hilda Victoria Timms, 883422, WAAF
    L.Acw. Agnes Aitchison Maltby, 470020, WAAF
    Sergeant John Edwards Timms, 624946, RAF
    Corporal Edward Vernon Maltby, 1180643 RAF,VR, 299 Squadron

    All 'Died on active service' on 7th October 1945 and all buried in Rennes Eastern Communal Cemetery, France.

    Can anybody advise the circumstances of their deaths and, hopefully, photographs of their graves, grave references available if you can.

    Grateful for any assistance.

    Tony

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    They were all in a Stirling Aircraft Serial LJ668 that crashed at Rennes on way from Cario to the UK...

    No doubt someone here will post the full details of all 26 passengers and crew


    http://www.rafcommands.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?forum=DCForumID6&mark=7083&az=previous _topic&archive=yes
    Last edited by paulmcmillan; 18th August 2009 at 16:05.

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    Tony - Stirling 1V LJ668 299 Sqdn special transport flight carrying a crew of 6 and 20 passengers. Airborne for 9 hours (t/o airfield not given but probably Egypt or similar distance) fuel supplies running low - weather poor- tried to make emergency landing at Rennes airfield but poorly lit - undercarriage down and struck ground in left hand turn - completely destroyed by fire - no survivors.
    Three married couples were on board.
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    The following are buried in that cemetery:
    No Name Rank Service Regiment Date Of Death Age Grave/Memorial Ref.
    1 MACKENZIE, ALEXANDER JOHN SEVERS, A J S Lieutenant Colonel 66733 Royal Corps of Signals 07/10/1945 37 Sec. 18. Plot 1. Row B. Grave 02.
    2 MACKENZIE, DOROTHY MARY, D M Chief Officer Women's Royal Naval Service 07/10/1945 36 Sec. 18. Plot 1. Row B. Grave 03.
    3 GREENFIELD, MARGERY, M Corporal 822452 New Zealand Women's Army Auxiliary Corps 07/10/1945 31 Sec. 18. Plot 1. Row B. Grave 04.
    4 MORTLOCK, MARGARET JEAN, M J Private 818051 New Zealand Women's Army Auxiliary Corps 07/10/1945 24 Sec. 18. Plot 1. Row B. Grave 05.
    5 MALTBY, AGNES AITCHISON, A A Leading Aircraftwoman 470020 Women's Auxiliary Air Force 07/10/1945 23 Sec. 18. Plot 1. Row B. Grave 06.
    6 MALTBY, EDWARD VERNON, E V Corporal 1180643 Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve 07/10/1945 32 Sec. 18. Plot 1. Row B. Grave 07.
    7 TIMMS, HILDA VICTORIA, H V Sergeant 883422 Women's Auxiliary Air Force 07/10/1945 30 Sec. 18. Plot 1. Row B. Grave 08.
    8 LLOYD, JACK EDWARD, J E Lieutenant 162896 Pioneer Corps 07/10/1945 36 Sec. 18. Plot 1. Row B. Grave 09.
    9 WITHERS, FREDERICK EDMUND, F E Lieutenant 253831 Pioneer Corps 07/10/1945 41 Sec. 18. Plot 1. Row B. Grave 10.
    10 JONES, GEORGE HOWARD, G H Lieutenant Colonel 152252 Royal Engineers 07/10/1945 Unknown Sec. 18. Plot 1. Row B. Grave 11.
    11 LEE, DONALD WILLIAM, D W Flight Lieutenant ( Nav. ) 145094 Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve 07/10/1945 26 Sec. 18. Plot 1. Row B. Grave 12.
    12 GRIFFITHS, ALAN, A Warrant Officer ( Bomb Aimer ) 1455455 Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve 07/10/1945 22 Sec. 18. Plot 1. Row B. Grave 13.
    13 DILLON, CHARLES THOMAS, C T Flying Officer ( Pilot ) 190476 Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve 07/10/1945 Unknown Sec. 18. Plot 1. Row B. Grave 14.
    14 INNES, MARIE ELSIE ISABEL, M E I Serjeant 814774 New Zealand Women's Army Auxiliary Corps 07/10/1945 26 Sec. 18. Plot 1. Row B. Grave 15.
    15 TIMMS, JOHN EDWARD, J E Sergeant 624946 Royal Air Force 07/10/1945 30 Sec. 18. Plot 1. Row B. Grave 16.
    16 LAST, VICTOR GERALD, V G Warrant Officer ( Air Gnr. ) 1890278 Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve 07/10/1945 20 Sec. 18. Plot 1. Row B. Grave 17.
    17 PETHER, ERIC ANTONY, E A Warrant Officer ( W. Op. /Air Gnr. ) 1314666 Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve 07/10/1945 24 Sec. 18. Plot 1. Row B. Grave 18.
    18 WAREHAM, DONALD, D Flight Sergeant ( Flt. Engr. ) 1607715 Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve 07/10/1945 21 Sec. 18. Plot 1. Row B. Grave 19.
    19 KEATES, CECIL TOM, C T Captain 245735 Pioneer Corps 07/10/1945 39 Sec. 18. Plot 1. Row B. Grave 20.
    20 NORTH, LEONARD HAROLD, L H Private 6294345 Middlesex Regiment 07/10/1945 33 Sec. 18. Plot 1. Row B. Grave 21.
    21 CARUS, JOHN ALEXANDER LEO, J A L Lieutenant Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve 07/10/1945 Unknown Sec. 18. Plot 1. Row B. Grave 22.
    22 GOULDING, HARRY RONALD, H R Aircraftman 1st Class 1765073 Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve 07/10/1945 21 Sec. 18. Plot 1. Row B. Grave 23.
    23 WORDSWORTH, SIDNEY GEORGE, S G Leading Aircraftman 533639 Royal Air Force 07/10/1945 29 Sec. 18. Plot 1. Row B. Grave 24.
    24 SIMCOCK, JOHN ERNEST, J E Leading Aircraftman 629022 Royal Air Force 07/10/1945 24 Sec. 18. Plot 1. Row B. Grave 25.
    25 WILLIAMS, SAMUEL HARRY ARTHUR, S H A Major 201540 Royal Artillery 07/10/1945 32 Sec. 18. Plot 1. Row B. Grave 26.
    26 McWILLIAMS, JOSEPH, J Aircraftman 1st Class 632181 Royal Air Force 07/10/1945 27 Sec. 18. Plot 1. Row B. Grave 27.

    299 Sqn personel are identified as:

    Aircrew?
    Lee
    Griffiths
    Dillon
    Last
    Pether
    Wareham

    Non Aircrew rank, dispatchers ?
    Wordsworth 1330 CU per GRO RAF List
    Maltby

    other RAF were:
    Goulding 43 SP - (Staging Post) per GRO RAF List
    Timms 22 PTC per GRO RAF List
    Simcock GRO RAF list gives his unit as "LYDDA"
    McWilliams GRO RAf list - WADI HALFA

    Both the Maltby's are listed as 299 Sqn per GRO RAF list
    John Timms is also listed as 22 PTC while Hilda was listed as HELIOPOLIS.

    MACKENZIE's being the third couple.

    Tony, the grave references are on the CWGC site and if you click into the cemetery details on a persons entry you can check for other related burials that date or plot etc.

    You can purchase photos from
    http://twgpp.org/

    This crash was discussed on the old board in 2005.
    http://www.rafcommands.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?forum=DCForumID6&mark=7083&az=previous _topic&archive=yes


    And the folks over at ABSA have a page on it:
    http://www.absa39-45.asso.fr/Avions%20divers/memorial_7octobre45.html
    Last edited by dennis_burke; 18th August 2009 at 16:27.
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    20 pax on a 9-hour flog in a Stirling makes the 12-hrs as Self Loading Freight in the back of a Herc from Ascension to Stanley seem like Emirates First Class by comparison.
    HTH
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    Thanks Chaps

    I had a feeling that it was going to be flight accident.

    Not got around to listing my WRNS and NZ WAACs yet so I will be ready for them.

    It's ironic, you go through five years of war and die on the way home.

    Thanks again chaps, most grateful.

    Tony

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    Tony,

    And from my trilogy 'For Your Tomorrow - A record of New Zealanders who have died while serving with the RNZAF and Allied Air Services since 1915 (Volume Two: Fates 1943-1998)':

    Sat 6/Sun 7 Oct 1945
    TRANSPORT COMMAND

    Special transport flight from Egypt to England.
    299 Squadron, RAF (Shepherds Grove, Suffolk - 38 Group)
    Short Stirling IV LJ668 - took off from Egypt captained by Fg Off C T Dillon, RAF, bound for England, but diverted to Rennes, France, because of high fuel consumption. On entering the circuit difficulties were encountered with radio communication between aircraft and ground, whilst approach to the airfield was hampered by a 200-foot cloud base and inadequate airfield lighting. Although homed on to the correct runway and seen from the ground, the captain could not see the flarepath when at 150 feet. He carried out an overshoot, called at 0028 to advise he had only 10 minutes fuel left and immediately crashed while turning to port, and burned out. The six crew, eight RAF, two Navy and 10 Army passengers died, three New Zealanders being amongst the latter. All 26 are buried at Rennes.
    Passenger: 822452 Cpl Margery GREENFIELD, NZ WAAC - 31.
    Passenger: 814774 Sgt Marie Elsie Isabel INNES, NZ WAAC - Age 26.
    Passenger: 818051 Private Margaret Jean MORTLOCK, NZ WAAC - 24.

    Errol

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    Thanks Errol

    I shall remember you if I have problems when listing my New Zealand ladies.

    Tony

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    Hello,

    When I go to the cemetery at Rennes, I would see to get pictures of the graves you search.

    http://www.absa39-45.com//Avions%20divers/memorial_7octobre45.html
    Cordialement,
    Regards,
    Mit freundlichem Gruß,

    Dan

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    Isnt it a shame that the McKenzies and the Maltbys were buried next to each other but the Timms couple were buried 8 apart.
    Dee

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