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    In case it is of interest to anyone else, I stumbled upon a section on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission website that I was previously unaware of. Air Crashes at Sea Civilian War Dead.

    There are 60 entries and the link to the reports pages is here http://www.cwgc.org/search/cemetery_reports.aspx?cemetery=4004465&mode=1

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    I noticed this group before, my interest being in Thomas Allitt who was killed very firmly on the hard rocky slopes of Sleiveglas in Kerry, below Mount Brandon, Ireland.

    Infact, T Allitt is listed twice on CWGC, this listing and another showing his burial in Liverpool.

    Here they are sorted by date of death, this probably won't display very well.

    Name Rank Service Regiment Date Of Death Age

    Lost on Blenheim L1408 - See message number #20 below from Col. Bruggy. Radar Technician
    GORDON , D M Civilian * Civilian War Dead 31/07/40 Unknown

    Listed twice on CWGC, On Vildebeest IV, K6408, see post #10 below.
    DAWSON, HARRY, H Civilian * Civilian War Dead 01/08/40 Unknown

    CAMERON, GEOFFREY VALENTINE, G V Civilian ( Batchelor of Arts ) * Civilian War Dead 23/05/41 37

    These people all on Dragon G-ACPY shot down.
    http://www.rafdavidstowmoor.org/pages/crash_log/crashlog41.htm

    ANDERSON, WILLIAM DONALD, W D Civilian * Civilian War Dead 03/06/41 Unknown
    GRIFFITH, GEORGINA EDITH LUCY, G E L Civilian * Civilian War Dead 03/06/41 Unknown
    LEGGITT, JOHN, J Civilian * Civilian War Dead 03/06/41 Unknown
    LEGGITT, SHEELAGH MARGUERITA, S M Civilian * Civilian War Dead 03/06/41 Unknown
    LEGGITT, JEANINE, J Civilian * Civilian War Dead 03/06/41 11
    LEGGITT, RONALITA, R Civilian * Civilian War Dead 03/06/41 9

    I might suggest these men might be connected to RAF FC Hudson AE545, who Christie in Ocean Bridge lists the crew as F/L R F Leavitt, Elwood Wallace McFall and Robert Desmond Anderson. Tho Anderson below is credited with a DFC by his CWGC entry.
    McLEAN , W Civilian * Civilian War Dead 20/09/41 Unknown
    ANDERSON , H D Civilian * Civilian War Dead 21/09/41 Unknown

    Lost per Ocean Bridge by Christie with Hudson AM940 out of Gander with RAF FC.
    SMALL , C H Civilian * Civilian War Dead 27/09/41 Unknown

    DAVIDSON, CHARLES JOHN, C J Civilian * Civilian War Dead 16/12/41 45
    His entry lists him as: of H.M. Dockyard, Malta. Husband of Winifred Gladys Davidson.

    This man lost per Ocean bridge with Hudson AM932 out of Gander with RAFFC.
    MEYERS, HORACE GAYZAL, H G Civilian * Civilian War Dead 24/01/42 Unknown

    Lost on Hudson AM946 of the OADU 1. (confirmation required) See message #19 from Col bruggy below.
    VINTCENT, NEVILL, N Civilian * Civilian War Dead 29/01/42 Unknown

    Google Books results suggest these men were on board Short S.23 G-AEUH which was shot down off the coast of Timor this date.
    CUTFIELD , H E Civilian * Civilian War Dead 30/01/42 Unknown
    FARRELLY , G A Civilian * Civilian War Dead 30/01/42 Unknown

    These next two, On Liberator G-AGDR
    http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4898
    BELL, HAROLD EDWARD, H E Civilian * Civilian War Dead 15/02/42 Unknown
    PARKER, THOMAS EDWARD, T E Civilian * Civilian War Dead 28/02/42 Unknown <--- Not confirmed

    Ocean Bridge by Christie list this man, Flight Engineer, lost on Liberator 41-1119 out of Gander with four other men, Doherty, Woodmason, Stanley, Carefoot. Douglas is twice listed on CWGC.
    DOUGLAS, HAMISH IAN, H I Civilian * Civilian War Dead 25/04/42 Unknown

    These men lost on the Flying boat "Clare" off the African coast. See post #35 and others.
    BEARD , R E Civilian * Civilian War Dead 14/09/42 Unknown
    PALMER , C L Civilian * Civilian War Dead 14/09/42 Unknown
    Same date on CWGC lists a Capt. Charles Leonard Palmer on the Brookwood Memorial, Unit as General List. There is no similar person named Beard.

    Listed in Ocean Bridge by Christie as lost on Mitchell FR369 with three RAF airmen out of Gander. Radio Operator.
    VINE, LEONARD, L R J Civilian * Civilian War Dead 15/10/42 34
    he also has a double listing on CWGC, as a RAFTC man.

    Lost on Liberator AL516 of 511 Squadron in crash at Gibralter. See message #17 from Brian for details
    ASTON, ISABELLA JOSEPHINE, I J Civilian * Civilian War Dead 31/10/42 Unknown
    ASTON, SIMON, S Civilian * Civilian War Dead 31/10/42 2
    CHASE, EDNA PATRICIA, E P Civilian * Civilian War Dead 31/10/42 27
    CHASE, THOMAS, T Civilian * Civilian War Dead 31/10/42 Unknown
    HUCKLEBRIDGE, MABEL, M Civilian * Civilian War Dead 31/10/42 30
    ROWE, EDWARD JAMES, E J Civilian * Civilian War Dead 31/10/42 40
    ROWE, HANNAH EUNICE, H E Civilian * Civilian War Dead 31/10/42 44
    SHELDON, ELIZABETH PRISCILLA, E P Civilian * Civilian War Dead 31/10/42 42

    On board Douglas DC-3 G-AGBB shot down in the Bay of Biscay. Leslie Howard being the 'famous' passenger on board.
    CHENHALLS, ALFRED TREGEAR, A T Civilian * Civilian War Dead 01/06/43 43
    COWLRICK, FRANCIS GERMAN, F G Civilian * Civilian War Dead 01/06/43 Unknown
    HOWARD, LESLIE, L Civilian * Civilian War Dead 01/06/43 50
    HUTCHEON, CAROLINE ANNE, C A Civilian * Civilian War Dead 01/06/43 1
    HUTCHEON, PETRA, P Civilian * Civilian War Dead 01/06/43 11
    HUTCHEON, ROTHA VIOLET LETTIE, R V L Civilian * Civilian War Dead 01/06/43 38
    ISRAEL, WILFRED JACOB BERTHOLD, W J B Civilian * Civilian War Dead 01/06/43 Unknown
    MACLEAN, GORDON THOMPSON, G T Civilian * Civilian War Dead 01/06/43 58
    PATON, CECILIA AMELIA FALLA, C A F Civilian * Civilian War Dead 01/06/43 Unknown
    ROZEVINK, ENGBERTUS, E Civilian * Civilian War Dead 01/06/43 26
    SHARP, IVAN JAMES, I J Civilian * Civilian War Dead 01/06/43 Unknown
    SHERVINGTON, TYRRELL MILDMAY, T M Civilian * Civilian War Dead 01/06/43 51
    STONEHOUSE, EVELYN PEGGY, E P Civilian * Civilian War Dead 01/06/43 22
    STONEHOUSE, KENNETH, K Civilian * Civilian War Dead 01/06/43 35

    On board General Sikorsky's aircraft Liberator AL523.
    LOCK, WALTER HEATHCOTE, W H Civilian ( Master of Arts ) * Civilian War Dead 04/07/43 42

    Captin of BOAC Sunderland G-AGES crashed in Kerry, Ireland.
    ALLITT, THOMAS, T Civilian * Civilian War Dead 28/07/43 Unknown

    Lost on Expeditor HB271 per Col. Bruggy Mesage #18 below, pending confirmation.
    Flight Magazine carried this story: March 20th 1945
    SIR ARCHIBALD SINCLAIR stated in the Commons last week that no trace had so far been iound of Capt. Robert Bernays and .Mr. J. Dermot Campbell, whose aircraft has been missing since January 23 in a flight from Rome to Brindisi.
    CAMPBELL, JOHN DERMOT, J D Civilian * Civilian War Dead 23/01/45 47

    York C.1 serial MW116 of 511 Sqn <-- Found by Finn Buch, see his posting below.
    http://www.rafcommands.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?forum=DCForumID6&mark=8472&az=next_top ic&archive=yes
    All men are listed as British Delegation to the Crimea Conference.
    BATTLEY, HARRY JOSEPH, H J Civilian * Civilian War Dead 01/02/45 36
    CHAPLIN, JOHN, J Civilian * Civilian War Dead 01/02/45 34
    DEW, ARMINE RODERICK, A R Civilian * Civilian War Dead 01/02/45 38
    GUTHRIE, ROBERT MACDONALD, R M Captain ( Retd. ) * Civilian War Dead 01/02/45 48
    LOXLEY, PETER NOEL, P N Civilian * Civilian War Dead 01/02/45 39
    SULLIVAN, PATRICIA MAXWELL, P M Civilian * Civilian War Dead 01/02/45 23


    These men are listed in Ocean Bridge by Christie as lost on Liberator AL504 'Commando'

    ABRAHAM, Sir JOHN BRADLEY, J B Civilian * Civilian War Dead 27/03/45 63
    BANNISTER, VICTOR IAN CLAUD JAMES, V I C J Civilian * Civilian War Dead 27/03/45 30
    JONES, HENRY ALBERT, H A Civilian * Civilian War Dead 27/03/45 51
    ROBINSON, ERIC, E Civilian * Civilian War Dead 27/03/45 35
    TWENTYMAN, EDWARD, E Civilian * Civilian War Dead 27/03/45 57
    WILLIAMS, FREDERICK WALTER, F W Civilian * Civilian War Dead 27/03/45 32
    Last edited by dennis_burke; 8th October 2009 at 13:48. Reason: Added some details from Ocean Bridge. And other details. Updated each entry with information from posts below.
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    Hi,

    I do recognize the movie actor Leslie Howard very well (The Scarlet Pimpernel), so 01/06/43, must be the loss of passenger aircraft DC-3 from BOAC, G-AGBB?

    Departure from Lisboa, shot down in the Bay of Biscay.

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    What about Glenn Miller ,the jazz band leader ? His plane went down in the Channel, I think. I expect he's not listed, being an American citizen, or was he in the USAAF ?

    Was his disappearance due to "friendly fire " ?

    Another question .Was it thought that Churchill was on Leslie Howard's plane or that Howard was serving in an official capacity ?

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    Hi,

    This old link from 2006, a thread between Henk Welting and Peter Davies, date 01/02/45:

    http://www.rafcommands.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?forum=DCForumID6&mark=8472&az=next_top ic&archive=yes

    has another loss, York C.1 serial MW116 of 511 Sqn. Anybody who can confirm a connection with the civilian passengers?

    Regards

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    Thats it Finn, I ought to have been able to find that but didn't. I'm going to edit my big posting about to avoid future confusion.
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    Alton Glenn Miller was American and assigned to the USAAF when he went missing in December 1944, his name is on the www.abmc.gov website:

    Alton G. Miller
    Major, U.S. Army Air Forces
    Service # O-505273
    Army Air Force Band
    Entered the Service from: New Jersey
    Died: 15-Dec-44
    Missing in Action or Buried at Sea
    Tablets of the Missing at Cambridge American Cemetery
    Cambridge, England
    Awards: Bronze Star
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    Hi,

    Just noticed Hamish Ian DOUGLAS 25/4/1942 Ferry Command is mentioned twice by the cwgc once as civilian and again as Ferry Command - commemorated Runnymede Memorial panel 288 !

    Mark

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    Quote Originally Posted by aestorm View Post
    What about Glenn Miller ,the jazz band leader ? His plane went down in the Channel, I think. I expect he's not listed, being an American citizen, or was he in the USAAF ?

    Was his disappearance due to "friendly fire " ?

    Another question .Was it thought that Churchill was on Leslie Howard's plane or that Howard was serving in an official capacity ?

    Anne
    Hi Anne

    Glenn Miller - If I remember correctly somebody (maybe on the BBC veterans website) said that they dumped their "friendly" bombs into the channel on the way back from a cancelled raid, or they had engine trouble, and they saw a little plane way down below!!

    Leslie Howard - again, if I remember correctly, his Manager was supposed to bear a close resemblance to Churchill - but whether this aircraft was specifically picked upon because of Howards propaganda value, or the resemblance to Churchill of his manager it has been mentioned in the book "Bloody Biscay: The Story of the Luftwaffe's Only Long Range Maritime Fighter Unit, V Gruppe/Kampfgeschwaber 40 and Its Adversaries, 1942-1944 - by Chris Goss or as Amazon put's it "The attack in which the famous British actor, Leslie Howard perished is also described, clarifying the facts surrounding one of the more enduring mysteries of WWII."

    cheers

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    Test Flying Memorial
    http://www.testflyingmemorial.com/1940-45.htm

    On the memorials website is listed the loss of Vildebeest K6408
    CREW FATALITIES: Plt Off A. Bailey, TP; AC2 Budd, Photographer

    P/O Alfred Bailey can be found on the CWGC buried in Gosport. The GRO indexs show an Alfred Bailey registered in Gosport district, aged 26, I expect this is him, CWGC show no age for him. The GRO refererence being Vol. 2b pg.1457

    AC2 Budd does not however show up on CWGC or in the death register index.

    The lists of RAF Casualties printed in Flight magazine dated Aug 22nd 1940 includes P/O A Bailey 40976 listed under Killed on Active Service.

    The same lists include an A/C.2 E. S. Budd 977714 but listed under "Wounded or Injured on Active Service".
    http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1940/1940&#37;20-%202372.html?search=budd

    HArry Dawson is listed twice on CWGC
    http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=3168809
    http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=3113170

    There are two entries, both for Harry Dawson, one for August 1st and the other for August 5th. Both entries name the same woman as wife. The Second of the two links above gives the following information:
    of 2 Waverley Terrace, Great Horton, Bradford, Yorkshire. Husband of Irene Dawson. in aeroplane crash in sea, off Ryde.

    The difference in dates perhaps points to his body being recovered some days after the crash.

    The death registers list a Harry Dawson aged 32 in Gosport district, Vol. 2b pg 1458.

    Might it be that there were three men on the aircraft, Bailey, Budd and Dawson, a civilian

    EDIT: Fully cleared up here:
    http://www.gosport.info/History/Anns_Hill_Cemetery_War_Graves_/Anns_Hill_Cemetery_War_Graves_/anns_hill_cemetery_war_graves_2.html

    http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/showthread.php?t=943&highlight=dawson
    Last edited by dennis_burke; 31st August 2009 at 09:40. Reason: Ammended thiss entire post.
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