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    Charles Leonard Palmer M.Inst.MM aged 47, was definitately lost on the Clare. He was living in Ankara Turkey at the time and was married to a Jessie Palmer. His death notice is in the Times Wednesday, Sep 23, 1942
    and it says "Lost with Flying Boat Clare"

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    The Commonwealth War Graves Commission website has changed the way the data base links work so the link in my original post of this thread no longer works.

    Here is the 'latest' (as of 7th Sept 2009) link to find the Air Crashes at Sea Civilian War Dead list on CWGC website

    http://www.cwgc.org/Search-Result.aspx?t=ce&q=fy%2bBFFAjByMAL06PRjrZ6t04ThzEa GQOdWhZmtd2IAHl9XJVQQPNHSuzqwlyJ5Ps9%2b3EchUG6L6Ne BQB080L5Q%3d%3d#b1

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    Default Glenn Miller flight

    Website on his last flight at http://www.mboss.force9.co.uk/twinwood/flight.htm

    Also lost on Miller flight:
    Flight officer John R.S. Morgan, service #T-190776, 35th Repair Squadron/35th Air Depot Grp
    From Michigan

    Lt.Col. Norman F. Baessell ,service# 0-905387, Hq Squadron, VIII Air Service Command.
    From District of Columbia

    ABMC records-tablets of the Missing Cambridge American Cemetery,Cambridge England

    Confirmation of Airman Shaw's claim at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/639093.stm

    In regard to previous message 31 the CWGC reports "Palmer, Charles Leonard" as a Captain "General List" on the Brookwood Memorial Panel 21 Column 3 {Does MM stand for Military Medal in message 31? Not listed on CWGC.}
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    If you look at his CWGC record it says he is:
    B. Sc. Mining Engineering (McGill University, Montreal).
    A bachelor of Science in Mining Engineering, and then by googling:

    M.Inst.MM = Member of the Institute of Mining and Metallurgy

    The modern day equivalent: http://www.iom3.org I think
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    Thanks Paul above!! I left this reply until I got the letter from the BA Archives which arrived today.

    The list of passengers on the flight manifest is
    Mr. M. Mabilotte <----- This must be the French man.
    Mr. R V M Garry [Brookwood Mem.] <-- Brig. Richard V M Garry RA,
    Mr. R H A Graham [Malta Mem.]
    Mr. J F McGuire RCAF [Malta Mem.]
    Mr. A E Turley [Malta Mem.]
    Mr. J V Glansfield [Malta Mem.]
    Mr. W. Kelly [Malta Mem.]
    Mr. T A Dixon RNZAF [Malta Mem.]
    Mr. J B Hardman [Fajara Cem.]
    Mr. A C Allberry [Fajara Cem.]
    Mr. C L Palmer <--------
    Mr. R E Beard <--------
    Mr. J A H Parker [Malta Mem.] <------- the BOAC list only gives A H as initials.

    All are described as BRIT nationality.

    BA Archives file is 1899.
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    Default Lt/Col M. Mabilotte

    From Google book, I can only find one M. Mabilotte

    Index to the correspondence of the Foreign Office for the year ..., Part 3
    By Great Britain. Foreign Office

    Mabilotte, M . Lieut-Col. Emergency certificate. T8192/ 1215/378.
    Controleur de I'Administration de 1'Arme'e: proceeding to Syria to curb extravagance tendencies of Free French Military Authorities in Syria: Portuguese visa.

    This might be the man on the aircraft?
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    Yes looks like your man.. I think Henk has looked for him before said he was 'Free French'... Which would kind of match with what you found


    Le Journal officiel de la France libre‎ - Page 75


    Directeur du Contr&#244;le: M. Mabilotte (Marcel), Attach&#233; en chef du Contr&#244;le de l'administration de l'Arm&#233;e:
    Last edited by paulmcmillan; 23rd October 2009 at 14:53.

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    Reply from the CWGCC btween " and "

    "Thank you for your email of 24th September 2009.

    Please accept our apologies for the delay of our reply. This is due to the large volume of correspondence we are currently receiving.

    Please find below details of the casualties from the Fajara War Cemetery as requested.

    Graves 1, 9 and 10 are unidentified casualties from the Flying Boat “Claire” Date of death: 14/09/1942.

    Going through the lists:"
    Behind the Cross:
    Gr 1 Unknown Clare Casualty
    Gr 2 Harris
    Gr 3 Birmingham
    Gr 4 HARDMAN
    Gr 5 Mabilotte*
    Gr 6 ALLBERRY
    Gr 7 Richards
    Gr 8 Cardy
    Gr 9 Unknown Clare Casualty
    Gr 10 Unknown Clare Casualty

    *Soldier MABILOTTE, MARCEL
    Regiment: French Army
    Date of Death: 14 September 1942
    Commemoration: FAJARA WAR CEMETERY
    Gambia
    Behind Cross of Sacrifice Gr. 5.
    This man is marked with a French Cross
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    Following the update received from CWGC above, the only outstanding at this stage seem to be:


    McLEAN , W Civilian * Civilian War Dead 20/09/41 Unknown

    ANDERSON , H D Civilian * Civilian War Dead 21/09/41 Unknown
    Anderson above is credited with a DFC by his CWGC entry.

    DAVIDSON, CHARLES JOHN, C J Civilian * Civilian War Dead 16/12/41 45
    His entry lists him as: of H.M. Dockyard, Malta. Husband of Winifred Gladys Davidson.
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    Hello All,

    Re: Charles John Davidson.

    Tues 16/Wed 17 December, 1941
    No.24 Squadron
    Hudson III V9115

    Crashed into sea on transport flight from Portreath to Gibraltar.

    Crew:

    81377 F/O (Pilot) John Herbert Morgan DAVIES DFC RAFVR +
    36240 F/O (Pilot, acting Nav.) Douglas Veale GILMOUR MiD RAF +
    520797 F/Sgt (W.Op) Robert Martin HANNAN RAFVR +
    643876 LAC (F/Mech./E) William Graham SHEEAN RAFVR +
    (All the above, commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial)

    Passengers:

    ----- Lt. Patrick Lainson Field RN + (Portsmouth Naval Memorial)
    ----- Lt.Cdr. Edward CROGHAN RNVR + (Chatham Naval Memorial)
    Civilian - Mr Charles John DAVIDSON + (An expense accounts officer employed by the Admiralty).

    See: FYT1/162 & FYT3/550. With thanks to Errol Martyn, Henk Welting, Pel Temple and many others.

    Col. (the compiler, only).
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