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    Hi Henk,

    Here is the RNLI record for L3418

    JULY 6TH. - HOLYHEAD, ANGLESEY.
    An aeroplane had crashed into the sea in Aberffraw Bay, but nothing could be found.
    - Rewards. £6 5s.

    RNLI Records of Service 1939-46

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    Thanks for info on L3418. What is preferred as possible crash location to add in my files: Aberffraw Bay or Malltreath Bay ?
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    NB: Also have an outstanding e-mail re aircraft type (PR or not PR).

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    Hello Henk & Others,

    Need to revisit this thread. It is claimed here, that P/O Jack Clarence BURRASTON was allotted the same RAF service number as, P/O Alexander Francis Burnett RAMSAY. Afraid, not so.

    Burraston's RAF service number was 43279, Ramsay was allotted 42379. I don't know where or when this error crept into the records, but it has been perpetuated by both the CWGC and the AWM.

    As stated elsewhere, Burraston, an Australian, accepted a Short Service Commission in the RAF. He, along with 16 other Australians were granted their SSCs on 10 April, 1940. This is shown conclusively in the Alpha/Numeric sequencing of their commissioning.

    See: London Gazette. Issue No.34849 Published 14th May, 1940 p.7 of 56.

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    Last edited by COL BRUGGY; 8th May 2009 at 09:59. Reason: minor correction

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    I've popped the CWGC a message, I'll post here in a few weeks if/when I hear back from them. They may get sick of hearing from me.
    Dennis Burke
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    .........and sick from me as well as I've still 8 outstanding e-mails to the CWGC !
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    Henk.

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    Hello,

    Re Burraston and Parker.

    At Cranwell the 6th July, 1940 was the usual English day. Flying carried on and Jack (Burraston), went out with another pilot at the controls. They were practising aerobatics as part of their training. It was during a stall turn that the aircraft failed to recover and dived into the ground, ending up in the river Trent.

    Both men were killed.

    Jack and his colleague, Ron Parker, were buried on the 10th July, 1940 with full military honours. After the service the men slow-marched through Cranwell village to the small churchyard to the tune of the funeral march.

    See:
    Twenty two Temporary Gentleman.
    Harper,Helen.
    n.p.:Author, n.d
    pp.45-6

    In August 1939, Burraston had, along with 21 fellow-Australians, sailed for the UK, to take up his Short Service Commission in the RAF.

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    Last edited by COL BRUGGY; 8th May 2009 at 17:13. Reason: minor correction

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    Thanks Col for additional info on BURRASTON and PARKER. Now known that the correct svcnr for BURRASTON must be 43279 (in lieu CWGC 42379).
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    Henk may have told them also but just got confirmation from CWGC:

    "You may recall that you wrote to us in June, drawing our attention the fact that both the above mentioned Officers were shown with the same Service Numbers in our records.

    I am writing to advise that we have now received confirmation from the RAF that P/O Burraston ‘s correct service no is 43279 and Ramsay’s is 42379.

    We have amended our Records accordingly."
    Dennis Burke
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    Just a quick clear up for MURGATROYD, Robert Beattie 519962:

    According to 'Bombers, First and Last' by Gordon Thorburn, page 24, he was killed on Wellington L7786 WS-X, hit by flak on return from Hamburg over the Dutch coast. He was in the bomb aimer's position trying to get a pinpoint for the Navigator, and a flak shell burst hit him in the chest.

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