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    Default Early war Spitfire loss over Germany

    Gents,

    I recently found a photo of a downed Spit PS5??, coded YQ? on this side (scoll down, first entry as "french recce a/c" with location "Hülsweiler"):

    http://www.flugzeugabstuerze-saarland.de/html/saarlouis.html

    Any idea about date, unit and pilot?

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    Heuser

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    There is no Spitfite with the serial PS5??.
    This batch of serial numbers were allocated to Tempest II's that were never built.
    The code YQ was used by 616Sqn.
    A possible aircraft could be Spitfire IIa P8500 - Missing 6.7.41.
    Sgt J McCairns crash landed his aircraft in a field at Gravelines near Dunkirk on 6.7.41.
    He was injured and became a POW. He escaped fron Stalag IXC and returned to England via Spain.

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    Default YQ-616 Sq

    I think its Spitfire IIA, P8500, 616 Sq, lost July 6,1941, flown by Sgt. McCairns who became POW.

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    Heuser

    The only 616 Squadron a/c (code YQ) that I have in my list with a serial beginning P85 is P8500 which crashed 300 yds from the beach at Gravelines 6/7/41. The pilot, J McCairns, was captured, but escaped.

    The block of Spitfire IIa's beginning P7280 and ending P8729 were delivered between June 1940 and July 1941. P8500 was not on charge to 616 Squadron until June 1941.

    The airman in the car appears to have injuries to his legs, and perhaps this particular photograph is connected with the loss of French Bloch 131, shot down NE of Saarbrucken 9/9/39. Sgt Trusson, who baled out badly wounded in the legs, was the only survivor.
    (Taken from The Battle of France, Then and Now)

    HTH

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    Googling about gives YQ as the code for 616 Sqn.

    note the site says the aircraft was a French recon aircraft ?? Maybe they are well off their dates here.

    Spitfire's with PS serials were in the PS684 - PS935 or PS936-PS987 batch and would be much much later in the war.
    of those two batches above the only serials built per my copy of Robertson's serials were:

    PS831-836 -
    PS849-893
    PS908-935
    And they were Spitfire PRXIX, mid to late war Griffon engine Spitfires.

    And PS944-957 were Seafires.

    Aircraft looks like it has the old hood. over to the experts I think.

    You can trawl through:
    http://www.spitfire.ukf.net/p090.htm

    Again, from googling, 616 Squadron with Spitfires took on the YQ code in July 1941.

    It was 217 Sqn code on Ansons up to late 1939.

    If the date is correct it may be a P8xxx coded fighter.

    I'll suggest from here:
    From Tony Woods lists:
    http://www.lesbutler.ip3.co.uk/tony/tonywood.htm

    RAF 11 Gp. 616 Sqn. 11 Spitfire IIa 13.33-15.20 Circus 35 1 - 1 - 1 Me 109E 1 Cat.3m Mech. H-BS: Lille

    It could be one of many of course.
    Cat.3m 06.07.41 Sgt. J.A. McCairns: P/W 11 Group 616 Sqn. Spitfire IIa: P8500 Mech: Gravelines
    Dennis Burke
    - Dublin

    Foreign Aircrew and Aircraft Ireland 1939-1945
    www.ww2irishaviation.com

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    Gentlemen,

    thank you very much for your replies!

    It looks like photos from the channel got mixed up with some from the phoney war...

    Best regards

    Heuser

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