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    Hello all,
    Been directed onto here as I am looking into a distant relative's service history. I have been told that many of you will be able to help a little more with this research. I would be most grateful for any information, so thank you in advance.

    Arthur Vincent Smith. He was an Armoury Flight Sergeant. He joined in 1936 and left a few years after the war ended. He specialised in training those to drop bombs and to store them.
    I have done a bit of research and reading and discovered that he was part of No5 Group.
    I think it was 1690 Bomber Defence Training Flight (confirmation of this would be appreciated).

    We also know that he was based at Scampton for a time, and worked there during the time 617 Sqn were based there.
    I have some photographs of him if anyone would be interested in seeing them.

    Thank you again in advance for any help anyone could give me. I would be most interested to see if there is anywhere I can gain information on 1690 BDT flight - would they have a Sqn they were part of or would they jump between each Sqn in the Group?

    Best,
    Sophie

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    Hi Sophie, unfortunately I can not give you much information, just the advice to try get his service records to confirm his units and then to visit the National Archives in Kew, London.
    There is one file for the unit you mentioned:

    AIR 29/882 No. 1690 Bomber Defence Training Flight, Syerston, Scampton, Metheringham and Syerston 1944 Mar.-1945 Oct.

    HTH

    Pavel
    Czechoslovak Airmen in the RAF 1940-1945
    http://cz-raf.webnode.cz

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    Hello Sophie,

    In the book "R.A.F. Flying Training and Support units since 1912", by Ray Sturtivant and John Hamlin, published by Air-Britain, there's a few lines about No. 1690 (Bomber) Defense Training Flight, on page 129 :
    Formed 15th February 1944 ex No. 1485 Flight in No. 5 Group at Syerston (detachments at most No. 5 Group stations), 13th July 1944 moved in Scampton (detachement at Fiskerston from 11th August to 21st September 1944) with 7 Spitfire II, 8 Martinet, 12 Hurricane IIc, on 27th September 1944 to Metheringham, on 4th June 1945 to Syerston. Disbanded on 12th October 1945. Aircraft : Spitfire IIa/b (for example P8503), Hurricane IIc/IV (LF374 which was coded 9M-A), Tiger Moth II (R5245), Oxford II (P6809), Martinet I (MS691), Wellington X (LN457). The flight's code was 9M.

    The role of such units as BDT flights was roughly to train bomber aircrews in what was termed "fighter affiliation". That means how to react when one's attacked by enemy fighters.

    The best would be to go to the National Archives in Kew, London, and copy / picture with a digital camera the flight's Operations Record Book, at the reference given by Pavel. Or you can ask for a quote if you can't get there (check this board for the best advices whether purchase hard copies or a CD). But I'm not sure at all you would find any mention of your father in it. O.R.B.s are usually quite scarce is such details. But you never know until you check it by yourself.

    I'd be interested in having a look at your pictures. You can contact me by e-mail, clicking on my profile.

    Hope this helps

    Joss

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    Pavel and Joss,
    Thank you for your replies. I will be heading to Kew at some point for my other relative searches - I will add this relative to the list, it keeps getting longer!

    Joss, I have pm'd you.

    Best wishes,

    Sophie

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