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    Default Unaccounted airmen - 4-8-1942

    What were the places of death registration for:

    A - Killed on active service:
    F/Sgt (Obs/WOp) Donald GREGORY - 1377626.

    B - Died on active service:
    AC2 Samuel MILNES - 1736576.

    C - Also looking for possible cause of death of:
    Sgt John W.D. FLETCHER - 1451517 - 202 Sqn (Gibraltar), commemorated on Panel 149 of the Runnymede Memorial.

    D - Proposed aircraft losses:
    Beaufort I - L4496 - 5 (C)OTU - crashed on approach 1 mile S of Turnberry (already as casualties on this a/c: Sgt [Pilot] F.J.H. HIGHMOOR - RCAF R/107767 and Sgt [WOp/Ag] D.B. St.J. MALCOLM - RCAF R/84388).
    Magister I - L6904 - 21 EFTS - collided with Tiger Moth T6683 (that could land safely) on approach Cliffe Pypard.
    Havoc I - BJ491 - 1455 Flt - dived into ground at night Littlegrove Farm, 3 miles S of Tangmere (already as a casualty on this a/c: P/O [Pilot] B.J. LEADER - 116403).

    Regards and thanks for your help.
    Henk.

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    Henk,

    Re: Sgt John W. D. FLETCHER - 1451517 - 202 Sqn. - Missing 4-8-1942.

    Fletcher on CWGC with date of death 4-8-1943. Possibly missing 9th crew member on board No.202 Squadron Catalina FP114, which went missing on ferry flight between Castle Archdale and Gibraltar, 4-8-1943.

    1318322 Sgt George William FARLER RAFVR+
    1451517 Sgt John William Dixon FLETCHER RAFVR +
    1216472 Sgt Reginald John HOWELL RAFVR +
    530777 Sgt Edward Ernest MATTY DFM RAF +
    1295561 Sgt Roy Ernest NEWMAN RAFVR +
    956462 Sgt Robert Oliver Steward SELWYN RAFVR +
    1330231 F/Sgt Derek Street SOMERS RAFVR +
    618613 Sgt Louis Marwell TRIMMER RAF +
    937039 Sgt Arthur WHITWAM RAFVR +

    All commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial.

    Need confirmation.

    Col.
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    Hi Henk
    Gregory,32, registered at Chichester, Sussex
    Milnes,33, registered at Yarmouth, Norfolk
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    From the ORB the causualties from L4496 were the ones you have already found.
    Alan Clark

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    http://www.peakdistrictaircrashes.co.uk/

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    Thanks Al, Col & Dick for your prompt replies.
    Col: FP114 was in my files with the eight names you mentioned. Also rcvd a note from Ragnar Ragnarson from Reykjavik: "The Form 1180 records that there were 13 personnel on board when the plane went missing, four of them being NON-RAF". Any idea about the four passengers ?
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    Henk,

    Only this in my 202 Sqn file, with a very large question mark!

    CASUALTY DETAILS

    Name: CRAWSHAW,CHARLES (HERBERT)
    Initials: C H
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Colonel
    Regiment/Service: General Staff
    Unit Text: Commands and Staff
    Age: 49
    Date of Death: 04/08/1943
    Awards: D S O, O B E, M C
    Additional information: Son of Thomas and Nellie Crawshaw; husband of Doris Margaret Crawshaw, of Saltwood, Hythe, Kent, B.A.
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Memorial Reference: Panel 1, Column 1.
    Memorial: BROOKWOOD MEMORIAL

    No idea if there is any connection with FP114, but reported missing and believed killed in Aug., 1943. The Times. August 13, 1943.

    Col.

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    Thanks Col. Annotation made (with a large question mark !).
    Regards,
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    I was going to suggest him also, he received at least one of his MiD or awards for his efforts in 'North Africa' per the London Gazette. Service number 5502.

    Panel 1, Column 1 also contains the two Army men lost of the flying boat Clare on 14 September 1942.

    This was the same date that a vessel went on fire in Algeria so there are a number of names on the Brookwood memorial, probably unrelated to both these events. There are a great number of pioneer corps men but I doubt they would given the benefit of a flight. There doesn't appear to be any relevent civilain casulaties to fit the bill either.

    Most of the Brookwood men this date are Sgt rank and less. None of the Royal Naval casualties are associated with it either.
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    Thanks Dennis. Much stuff left for the research; will it ever end ? Nevertheless it will keep us busy and as my wife says: "It will keep you off the street and out of the pub !".
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    I contacted CWGC to point out Crawshaw second name was missing, and i must have suggested it was herbert.
    Their reply:

    Thank you for your email of 22 September 2009 about Colonel Charles H. Crawshaw commemorated on the Brookwood Memorial.

    After the War, the Commission wrote to his recorded next-of-kin to confirm personal details for our records and we hold the information they provided at the time.

    We will therefore require a copy of his birth certificate to link up with the information in the London Gazette before we can add his second name to our records. The reason for this is that we must be sure that the birth certificate does refer to the casualty commemorated by the Commission.

    Giving up.
    Dennis Burke
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