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    Default Unaccounted airwomen and airmen - 19-8-1942

    What were the places of death registration for:

    A - Killed on active service:
    Sgt (WOp/Ag) William T. CROALL - 1304723;
    Sgt (Obs) William J. KNAPP - 1375619;
    Sgt (WOp/Ag) Oliver H. OSBORNE - 1177573, and
    AC1 Albert G. WINDLE - 646834.

    B - Died on active service:
    ACW2 Gillian D. MARR - 2060503;
    Sgt Harry W. MAYNE - 1176480, and
    ACW1 Margaret S.G. MUNRO - 2040886.

    C - Not found in Flight archives:
    F/Sgt (WOp/Ag) George R. GIFKINS - 553963 - 614 Sqn (Macmerry, East Lothian); can't find a matching a/c loss, however 614 Sqn lost Blenheim IV serial R3758 "29th" August, crashlanding at Odiham.
    Sgt (Obs/radar) William I. Mc

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    Default Unaccounted airwomen and airmen - 19-8-1942 (continuation)

    Something went wrong working on this thread and here is the continuation:

    C - Not found in Flight archives:
    Sgt (Obs/radar) William I. McQUATTERS - 1324780, and
    AC2 Joseph H. SEALS - 1450576.

    D - Also looking for the following casualties for this date:
    2/Lt Gwilym R. EDWARDS - 193384 - The Royal Welsh Fuseliers, attached RAF, buried Burton Hastings Churchyard, Warwickshire, and
    unit and possible cause of death of following airmen commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial, and probably involved in the Op. 'Jubilee':
    LAC Donald P.A. HUNT - 1396613 - Panel 97;
    Cpl Robert E. SPRINGER - 570250 - Panel 97;
    LAC William R.J. STUBBS - 1388944 - Panel 98, and
    LAC Robert J. WRIGHT - 1394100 - Panel 98.

    E - Proposed aircraft losses:
    Blenheim I - L6623 - 51 OTU - flew into ground Brogborough Hill Estate, Ridgmont, Bedfordshire (already as a casualty on this a/c: F/Sgt [Pilot] R.M. GILMOUR - RCAF R/79369).
    Master I - N7433 - 58 OTU - crashed on take-off Grangemouth.
    Tiger Moth II - T6915 - 22 EFTS - dived into ground 1½ mile E of Cambridge airfield.
    Tiger Moth II - N5452 - 26 Sqn - crashed on take-off Farnborough.
    Oxforde II - AB700 - 6 (P)AFU - crashed on take-off Little Rissington (already as a casualty on this a/c: Sgt E.D. FRANCIS - RAAF 411137).

    Regards and thanks for your help.
    Henk.

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    Hi Henk
    Not much on this one!
    Mayne,30, registered at Biggleswade, Bedfordshire
    McQuatters,19, registered at Ampthill, Bedfordshire, the same place as Gilmour and right for L6623. They are both recorded as killed on that a/c by Warner, in "Blenheim"
    Seals, is on CWGC as buried at Bergen, Holland and either died in your country or was washed ashore there and hence he is not registered
    Knapp, is buried at Berwick-on-Tweed which is a long way from his home and it might mean that he died in Scotland across the border
    None of the rest came up on the register
    Regards
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    Thanks Dick. I am looking for AC2 Joseph H. SEALS - 1450576, buried Dagenham (Chadwell Heath) Cem., Essex. In Bergen (NL) lies buried Sgt (Ag) Frederick K.A. SEALS - 814230, of 15 OTU (killed on Wellington X9920).
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    Henk,

    Re: F/Sgt (WOp./Ag.) George R. GIFKINS - 553963 - 614 Sqn.

    Appendix 4.

    Blenheim losses on the 'Combined Operations' raid on Dieppe, 19 August 1942.

    19-8-1942
    614 Sqn.
    Blenheim IV V5626

    FTR; damaged by 'friendly' flak off Dieppe prior to laying smoke-screen;

    F/Lt J Scott (Pilot). Wounded but crash-landed at Friston igniting hung-up phosphorus smoke-bombs.
    Sgt W. Johnson (Obs). Badly burnt and rescued unconscious, who died 36 hours later.
    F/Sgt G. Gifkins (WOp/Ag). KIA by AA fire.

    Scott awarded DFC.

    See:
    The Bristol Blenheim:A Complete History.
    Warner,Graham
    Manchester:Crecy,2002 (1st ed.)
    p.390

    Check 2nd edition for updates.

    Col.
    Last edited by COL BRUGGY; 30th September 2009 at 16:46. Reason: minor correction

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    Thanks Col for this excellent info on Blenheim V5626; this also covered F/Sgt (Obs) William JOHNSON - 1054964, who died 22-8-1942 and was on my list as well.
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    Your last four were all in the No.1 AOS ORB.

    August 19th 1942, “Botha No.L6233 crashed off Kirkcudbright. Pilot (Sgt Garlick NZ412525) 570250 T/Cpl Springer R.E. 1388944 LAC Stubbs, W.R.J. 1394100 LAC Wright, R.J. 1396613 LAC Hunt, D.P.A. were all killed.”
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    http://www.peakdistrictaircrashes.co.uk/

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    Hi Henk
    For Joseph H Seals, CWGC give a death date of 19/8/41 and he is registered at Spilsby, Lincolnshire in the 3rd Qtr of 1941
    I got the other Seals because Joseph didn't come up on CWGC for 1942
    Regards
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    Thanks Al for info on Botha L6233 and the four passengers; it's a good riddance !

    Thanks Dick for info on SEALS; he indeed was in my list for 1941; corrected !

    Best regards,
    Henk.

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    Both of the WAAF appear on the Scotish registers in Holm District, Orkney.
    Marr's name appears to be spelling Gilliam and there no second name and she was age 20. A Gillian D Marr was born in England in 1922.

    I don't seem to be able to find Croall, Osborne or Knapp in Scotland.

    Nor does Windle turn up?
    Dennis Burke
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    Foreign Aircrew and Aircraft Ireland 1939-1945
    www.ww2irishaviation.com

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