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    Dear all,

    According to his sons and some documents of the Netherlands Institute for Military History in The Hague the Dutch pilot A.J. Mussert was wounded in the arm as a member of a Sunderland flying boat of 228 Squadron on December 1st 1943 at an Anti Submarine Patrol over the Bay of Biscay. Apparantly the Sunderland ran into some German aircraft. Does this sound familiair to any of you? During a quick scan of the 228 Sqn ORB I couldn't trace the incident.

    Greetings Erwin

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    Erwin,

    From Chris Goss's 'Bloody Biscay' (Appendix F):

    1 Dec 43, Sunderland, 1135 hrs, Einzelmeldung [this in place where Luftwaffe pilot usually named]
    Sunderland 'L'/ 228 Sqn (Flt Lt Grimshaw)
    "Eight Ju 88s took off at 1000-1005 hrs for s fighter sweep in PlQ 14W/0860 and to look for the Ju 88 lost on 30 Nov 43. At 1135 hrs, a Sunderland was spotted in PIQ 14W/0865, altitude 900m, course 120 deg, speed 250 km/h. 7 attacks before escaping into rain shower." Luftflotte 3 Einzelmeldung Nr 11 2 Dec 43.

    Elsewhere, on p133, Goss reports that "eight Ju 88s had taken off to search for the downed Ju 88 Uffz Fischer. At 1135 hours, they spotted and attacked a 228 Squadron Sunderland which managed to escape into cloud."

    [copied as presented, inclusive of suspected typos]

    Interstingly, the author makes no comment on how a Sunderland outnumbered 7 to 1, and suffering 7 attacks before escaping into cloud/rain shower, was otherwise allowed to avoid certain destruction!

    Errol

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    Dear Errol,

    Thanks a lot for the interesting information. It appears that I've been looking with 'my nose' in the 228 Sqn ORB...

    Greetings Erwin

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    Hi All
    "Interstingly, the author makes no comment on how a Sunderland outnumbered 7 to 1, and suffering 7 attacks before escaping into cloud/rain shower, was otherwise allowed to avoid certain destruction!"
    If you can find one of 2 rather old books, one of which quotes the other, there is a fine story of a Sunderland with an Australian crew defending itself against 8 attacking Ju88s over the Bay of Biscay with the result that 3 were definitely shot down and probably 3 more. The book I have is "Freedom's Battle -The War in the Air" edited by Gavin Lyall published in 1968 but republished several times since. The Book quoted therein is "They Shall not Pass Unseen" by Ivan Southall 1956. The a/c made it back with a gunner dead but it did get back.Radio Intercept listened to German stations calling the Ju88s and getting replies from only 2. It wasn't for nothing that the Germans apparently called the Sunderland the "Flying Porcupine" and it was interesting to note that in such an action a Nav stood in the Astrodome and directed/warned the gunners.
    The date of the battle is not given nor the Sqn or a/c but the Captain's name is given as Walker and the co-pilot as Amiss, the tail gunner was Goode and the "director" Simpson.The gunner who died was Sgt Miles. Perhaps not quite certain destruction. Ive' looked up Miles on CWGC and he doesn't come up so it may be that in early books like these the names were changed
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    Dick
    Last edited by Dick; 17th January 2008 at 19:08.

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    "a Sunderland with an Australian crew defending itself against 8 attacking Ju88s over the Bay of Biscay"

    This was 461 Sqn on 2 Jun 43. ORB account can be found here:

    http://www.lwag.org/forums/archive/index.php?t-1144.html

    Errol

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    Thanks Errol
    Miles didn't come up because he was one of 2 Brits on an otherwise all Australian crew and was in fact the F/E but manning the galley beam gun
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    Dick,

    Miles was RAF, not RAAF, which might be the reason you could not find him on the CWGC? (He is there all right, I've checked.)

    Errol

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