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    Hello ,

    Sgt John E Hearle 19185804 - Pfc William L Panagakos 33747116 - Pvt Lawrence V Carnavale were on board off a British plane carrying freed OS POW's , this plane crashed near Brussels. Is there anyone who has an idea when this crash happened ?

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    ABMC database gives Haerle, Carnavale and panagakos death as 18 May 1945.
    Buried Ardennes American Cemetery Neupre, Belgium

    ABMC spell name as Haerle.
    The following RAF 161 Sqn men are buried in Brussels Town cemetery

    F/Lt RC Hawkins (Pilot)
    F/O M. Watson (Nav)
    F/O EF Clemens (W/Op)
    Sgt EA Cox
    F/O E Hadley (Air gnr)
    LAC A Appleyard

    Flight magazine February 21st 1946 includes:
    Royal Air Force
    KILLED IN ACTION.—L.A/C. A. Appleyard; F/O. E. F. Clemens; Sgt. E. A. Cox; F/O. E. Hartley; Act. Fit. Lt. R. C. Hawkins, D.P.M.; Sgt C. W. Knight; Fit. Lt. J. A. Round, D.F.C.; F/O. M. Watson, U.F.M.

    This site:
    http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Bedfordshire/TempsfordAircrewLost1945.html

    Says they died on Hudson AE505 after a heavy landing, can't imagine a lot of passengers being carried in a Hudson?

    And this site associates a number of US casulties with the same incident:
    http://www.7tharmddiv.org/eto-unks.htm

    Oscar Price, Francisco Sanchez, Ernest Nevins, Billy Murrey, Nathan Williams,
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    Dennis,

    Try Hudson V9169!

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    Ah!
    http://www.rafcommands.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?forum=DCForumID6&mark=7251&az=previous _topic&archive=yes

    Such a pity the Americans don't have a proper CWGC type database, listing everyone and not just the people in ABMC cemeteries/memorials.

    Also a pity they don't make the IDPF's easier to get hold of, well I suppose I could just pay for them!
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    According to Freddie Clark AE595 lost on 21/3/45. (F/O G.S. Ragan & Crew) AE505 lost on 18/5/45 (F/L R.C. Hawkins & Crew)

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    Thanks for the reply

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Larder View Post
    According to Freddie Clark AE595 lost on 21/3/45. (F/O G.S. Ragan & Crew) AE505 lost on 18/5/45 (F/L R.C. Hawkins & Crew)
    Air Britain (and Errol Martyn in his 'For Your Tomorrow' Vol.2, page 332) have AE505 21-3-1945.
    Serials AE595 up to AE600 were never delivered.
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    Following up on Henk's post, here is the entry I have in my Vol Two:

    "Tue 20/Wed 21 Mar 1945
    161 Squadron, RAF (Tempsford, Bedfordshire - 38 Group)
    Hudson III AE505/L - took off at 2205 piloted by Fg Off G S Ragan, RCAF, on Operation WALNUT to drop an agent half way between Osnabrück and the Dutch frontier. Brought down on the eastern outskirts of Rheine after dropping the agent, the Hudson crashed onto the munitions dump at Rheine airfield at 0305. The four crew were buried in the Catholic Cemetery just east of the airfield, at Königgesche Forst, but later reinterred at Reichswald Forest, 5km SW of Kleve.
    Air Gunner: NZ425626 Flt Sgt Cecil Algot THOMAS, RNZAF - Age 30. 192hrs. 6th op."

    An MRES report on Thomas's service record gives the serial as AE595, but as Henk points out this was never allotted to any RAF aircraft. Air-Britain serials volumes confirm AE505 as:

    Missing on SOE mission over Germany, 21.3.45; believed collided with night fighter.

    There is, however, no mention as to the cause of the loss in Thomas's service record.

    The other two crew members, according the MRES report, were:

    Wt Off F E Gray, R104994 (WOp/AG)
    Flt Sgt P Beadley, 1543070 (Nav)

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    Thanks gentleman

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    Hello, late to the game here. I was doing some ongoing research on my grandfather. Eric Clemens and came across this site and forum thread. If anyone has any information please feel free to contact me.

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