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    Hello ,

    Sgt John E Hearle 19185804 - Pfc William L Panagakos 33747116 - Pvt Lawrence V Carnavale were on board off a British plane carrying freed OS POW's , this plane crashed near Brussels. Is there anyone who has an idea when this crash happened ?

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    ABMC database gives Haerle, Carnavale and panagakos death as 18 May 1945.
    Buried Ardennes American Cemetery Neupre, Belgium

    ABMC spell name as Haerle.
    The following RAF 161 Sqn men are buried in Brussels Town cemetery

    F/Lt RC Hawkins (Pilot)
    F/O M. Watson (Nav)
    F/O EF Clemens (W/Op)
    Sgt EA Cox
    F/O E Hadley (Air gnr)
    LAC A Appleyard

    Flight magazine February 21st 1946 includes:
    Royal Air Force
    KILLED IN ACTION.—L.A/C. A. Appleyard; F/O. E. F. Clemens; Sgt. E. A. Cox; F/O. E. Hartley; Act. Fit. Lt. R. C. Hawkins, D.P.M.; Sgt C. W. Knight; Fit. Lt. J. A. Round, D.F.C.; F/O. M. Watson, U.F.M.

    This site:
    http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Bedfordshire/TempsfordAircrewLost1945.html

    Says they died on Hudson AE505 after a heavy landing, can't imagine a lot of passengers being carried in a Hudson?

    And this site associates a number of US casulties with the same incident:
    http://www.7tharmddiv.org/eto-unks.htm

    Oscar Price, Francisco Sanchez, Ernest Nevins, Billy Murrey, Nathan Williams,
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    Dennis,

    Try Hudson V9169!

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    Ah!
    http://www.rafcommands.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?forum=DCForumID6&mark=7251&az=previous _topic&archive=yes

    Such a pity the Americans don't have a proper CWGC type database, listing everyone and not just the people in ABMC cemeteries/memorials.

    Also a pity they don't make the IDPF's easier to get hold of, well I suppose I could just pay for them!
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    Thanks gentleman for your help

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    Freddie Clark in 'Agents by Moonlight -Secret History of RAF Tempsford' has AE505 for loss of 161 Sq. personnel. also confirmed by Ken Merrick in 'Flights of the Forgotten' - ' as he touched down the Hudson bounced heavily and he took off again without stopping. AE505 was seen to be flying level when suddenly it climbed steeply, fell back in a tail slide, stalled and plunged nose first into the ground, bursting into flames'

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    THanks John

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    AE505 lost 21-3-1945 (see Errol Martyn's "For Your Tomorrow", Vol.2 , page 332.
    Agree with Col for V9169 (crashed on landing B.56 Evère ±1630h, probably incorrect loaded).
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    Hello Henk ,

    According the CWGC the crew off AE-505 died on march 18th 1945 , wich date is the right one ? So could it be that the US POW were on board of Hudson V-9169 ?

    Greets

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    Yes, on V9169. Six airmen of 161 Sqn buried at Evère and twelve US passengers buried at Neupré (Neuville-en-Condroz Mil. Cem.); 18 men on a Hudson !
    (Passengers: Haerle - Gohl - Murray - Sanchez - Panagakos - Milton - Carnavale - Cirelli - Nevins - Price - Williams - Wood).

    Henk.

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