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    Can anyone tell me what would get a trainee pilot an "award" of 168 hours (1 week) detention during a course at a Technical Training School? This was prior to his arrival at ITS and so very early in his career and before he would be actually flying.
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    I've got a similar case.

    The man was given 7 days confinement to barracks for returning to camp seven hours late. His girlfriend came to visit and you know how these things go....

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    Ahh, yes, Dave, I do recall how those things can go...

    I was thinking detention was more serious than confinement to barracks but I'm sure you're right, although there doesn't seem to be a record of awol on his file. It couldn't have been too serious as he made pilot and eventually became a W/O. He did spend a few stays in hospital so perhaps there was a woman of ill repute involved. I have another subject who was in an out of the hospital a few times for afflictions picked up during his recurring "night exercises".
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    David,

    I'm pretty sure the genie packages you received from LAC didn't have the various forms with the airman's transgressions, or lack thereof.

    I have quite a few of them, all RCAF or Aussies attending BCATP facilities in Canada. The vast majority of them are stamped "Certified No Entry", although I do recall one where an enterprising recruit was running a gambling emporium in barracks.

    Most that we would consider AWOL state "absent from barracks" or "not present at morning parade" suggesting to me, perhaps, that the desire of management wasn't to blemish the man's record. Just a thought.

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    Search for 'Jankers' on Google. The Wiki article is as near the truth as I remember it!
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    CTB and Detention are two very different things (or rather were, as the former does not exist anymore). Simply put, CTB means you can not leave the Camp and Detention means you are banged up! I would suggest that 7 days was an offence at the lower end of the scale, but probably put the kibosh on the gentleman's commissioning prospects.

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    Thanks guys, very enlightening. The reason I questioned it was because I hadn't seen the phrase "awarded 168 hours detention" used in any of my chaps' records. There are notes of awol and punishment of docking pay etc. but this was the first note mentioning detention. It was early in his training and he was later promoted to Warrant Officer at the end of his stint at the CU, so that's what made me curious.

    Dave, if you have a sample of one that is similar I'd love to see it.

    This is also but another indication that I will have to make the trip to Ottawa someday to read the full record.

    The other sad thing about this particular case is that he was killed three days after making pilot and returning from a week's leave on what was probably his first mission.
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    Dave,
    Detention on a Station was a right pain in the ar$e (which I think Jonny will concur?). Not so much for the individual but for the Station Execs! If you were in the Guard Room Slammer then you had to be escorted to, and from, whatever Mess for your meals. You had to have the laid down periods of exercise. The Station Medical Officer had to ensure you were not dying whilst in custody. The Padre (or whoever was the Panjandrum of your Faith) could visit you. The Orderly Officer, and Station Duty Officer, had to make sure that all the Regulations were being abided by! The Officer (or SNCO) i/c the Guardroom had to ensure that QRs, and MAFL, with regard to the Custody of Prisoners were carried out to the last letter of The Law (after all, you didn't want Prisoners writing to their MPs did you?).
    I can only speak from experience of the mid-50's - but I doubt if things had changed much from WW2. The putative Janker Wallahs were, as far as I was aware, given the maximum non-custodial sentence. If there was no option but a custodial sentence then it was given such that it might have to be served at a Military Corrective Establishment (or "Glass House" as they were collectively known) - i.e. "off-Station". The Army had an infamous one at Colchester. I think the RAF had one at Shepton Mallet, in Somerset.
    I give you this not from personal custodial experience (I got 'done' (put on a Fizzer!) twice in my National Service - both Dismissed!) but on one Station the cells at the back of the Guardroom faced south. It was high summer and SMO asked Met to go and measure the temperature in the cells!!
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    Although the man is deceased (killed in action as an air gunner, November 1943) I shall not mention his name, but from old notes I find the following.

    The man had a remarkable record for indiscipline, starting at No.10 SFTS, Dauphin, Manitoba, 16 November 1941 when he was Confined to Barracks for seven days ("Gambling with dice, after have been warned by Corporal James, H., in Hut 4A.") Again at No.10 SFTS, 25 December 1941, he was disciplined for being absent without leave for three days. At No.29 OTU, 2 July 1942 he was "admonished" for being absent without leave for nine hours 44 minutes. On 25 April 1943 he was given a "severe reprimand" by G/C G.T. Jarman, Station Wyton for being "out of bounds in Airwomans Quarters." Finally, on 19 August 1943 he was reprimanded for "riding a bicycle without a rear light when entering camp."

    His gambling offence was while he was performing guard duty (not training) at No.10 SFTS.

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    Hugh - Brilliant!
    There will always be the skrimshankers amongst us. We've all known 'em!
    Perhaps we should open a 'never-ending thread' devoted entirely to the misdemeanors of our colleagues (No Names - No Pack-Drill, or, as in this case, No Detention!!!). Could be the source of endless amusement on a dull UK (or Canadian) day!!
    No rear light, I should have thought, would be cause for beheading on Tower Green!!!!!!!!!!!!
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