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    Could someone name the Aussie pilot who served on 485 Sqn? I'm under the impression there was just the one, but aren't sure whether he was RAAF or RNZAF. Please throw in his
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    Cheers, Bruce

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    G'Day BruceMk1,

    NZ411985 Robert Gordon "Bob"/"Dutch" KLEIMEYER DFC RNZAF. Former RAAF cadet. Born Toowoomba, Queensland 27-9-1917. Died 6-4-2002, Oakville, Ontario.

    The following makes interesting reading: NAA: A367 C71395

    Col.
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    col Bruggy more quickly than me !

    Hi Bruce,

    According to the book 485(NZ) Squadron 1941-45 (Spitfire) by Paul Sortehaug & Phil Listemann

    http://www.raf-in-combat.com/page00010004.html

    Kelimeyer, Robert G P/0 (Aus)/RNZAF, NZ411985 posted to n485 September-October 1942.

    Knwonas 'bob', fresh graduate from OTU. Native of queensland, Australia. Posted to MAlta. Eight V1 destroyed, one of which was shared with n129. Served alaso with n611.

    HTH

    Bertrand

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    Thanks Col. I'd heard of Kleimeyer but wasn't aware of his service on 485 Sqn nor his RAAF training. Thanks also to Bertrand.

    Cheers, Bruce

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    Bruce,

    And a little more about him, from Colin Hanson's 'By Such Deeds - Honours and Awards in the Royal New Zealand Air Force, 1923-1999':

    KLEIMEYER, Flight Lieutenant Robert Gordon, DFC.
    NZ411985; Born Toowoomba, Queensland, 27 Sep 1917; RNZAF 23 Mar 1941 to 3 May 1947; Pilot.
    Citation Distinguished Flying Cross (Imm) (8 May 1945): [129 Sqn RAF (Mustang)] This officer is a highly efficient flight commander. He has taken part in a very large number of sorties including many armed reconnaissances and escorts to bomber formations. He has at all times displayed the greatest keenness and has set a fine example of devotion to duty.
    Credited with the destruction of 7 V-1s, he also flew with 41 Sqn RAF (Spitfire), 485 Sqn RNZAF (Spitfire) and 611 Sqn RAF (Spitfire/Mustang).

    Errol

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    That's interesting Errol-award citations help complete the picture but they can be hard to locate.

    Cheers, Bruce

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    For all those interested. The posting of non-New Zealanders to 485 and 486 Squadrons (both Article XV squadrons) is rather interesting as it would seem that the official policy for most of the war period was that ONLY New Zealand pilots should be posted to these two units, although there were occasional lapses. I think it was sometime in 1943 or 44 when a CANADIAN pilot turned up on posting to 486 Sqdn, and he was fairly smartly posted away to a more appropriate unit, and the ORB specifically states that his nationality was the problem (that is, nothing personal!) A good job that this sort of attitude was not general, as the other RNZAF Article XV squadrons (including 75 (NZ) Squadron which was also treated in all respects as an Article XV unit from very early in its history, despite the fact it was "officially" an RAF unit), as many, such as 489 Sqdn in its early days, or 488 (Night Fighter) Sqdn could not have existed in their early days through lack of available personnel in the appropriate trades. Of course the RNZAF itself (in Wellington, New Zealand, or its London HQ which nominally represented the interests of its members serving on attachment to the RAF) had no means of really influencing the postings of any particular member, who were at the mercy of the Air Ministry's Directorate of Posting.
    David D

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