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    Dear all,

    Chorley notes that the above a/c crashed to earth in Cornwall on 21 May 1944. He also lists the crew, however I wondered whether anyone has the initials/first names of Sgt's Kite, Barden, Place and Gault?

    Thanks in advance for any assistance.

    Jonny
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    Hello Jonny,

    You've opened a real 'can o' worms', on this one.

    The crash of W7811, according to most refs, occurred on 21-5-1944 (The Halifax File p.35, mentions 23-5-1944!).

    The death of the pilot, AUS425644 P/O Jack Byrne FLEMING RAAF, is listed in all my refs as occurring on 27-5-1944. Bill Chorley is non-committal as to whether Fleming was killed in the crash, or died later.

    One other member of the crew was, AUS423453 F/Sgt John Bleakley FISCHER RAAF. He, along with the rest of the survivors, had baled out before the aircraft crashed. Fischer, at least, became a member of the Caterpillar Club, on 21-5-1944.

    Fischer's A9300 (NAA: A9300 FISCHER J B) is digitised. I'm afraid it tells us nothing of the events on 21-5-1944. (Fischer has no A705 Casualty file).

    Turning to Fleming's undigitised A705 (NAA: A705 166/13/236), we find a crew listing in the Item Notes. I'll have more to say on this later.

    Lets see what others have to say first.

    Col.
    Last edited by COL BRUGGY; 1st November 2009 at 14:04. Reason: minor correction

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    Hi Jonny,

    The silence is deafening!

    Lets clear up the fate of the pilot (Fleming), first. Chorley is obviously aware of his death on 27-5-1944, he records it as such in BCL9ROH/389. Fleming is listed in 'Flight' as: 'Died Of Wounds Or Injuries Received On Active Service'. On his AWM108 ROH Circular, his place of death is given as, 'Halton'. I think it's a safe bet to assume that he was injured in the crash on 21-5-1944, and succumbed to his wounds on 27-5-1944, at RAF Halton (Hospital).

    Now, to your query on the crew.

    From the Item Notes of Fleming's A705:

    BARDEN. Simply quoted as - 1148813 Sgt BARDEN CAN!
    GAULT. Quoted as - 1819396 Sgt Lionel William Frank GAULT RAF
    KITE. Quoted as - 182483 Sgt C E Kite RAF. The problem here is, S/No. 182483 was allocated to F/O Cecil Philip CLARK, who was killed on 3-2-1945 in No.156 Sqn Lancaster III ME366 (see: BCL6/66).
    PLACE. Quoted as - 168583 Sgt PLAC RAF.

    Life was'nt mean't to be easy!

    Fleming's A705 needs to be digitised to help resolve some of the above clutter. A glimpse at a 765C should clear it up.

    Col.
    Last edited by COL BRUGGY; 14th November 2009 at 09:33. Reason: minor correction

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    Col/Jonny, I could run over to the NAA and check Fleming's A705 next week if required.

    Just specify exact details required and I will search. It's a great excuse to jump on the motorbike for lunch and hit some roundabouts now that Canberra's weather has turned for the better.

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    Hi Adrian,

    That's mighty generous of you mate!

    You would not only be helping Jonny and myself, Bill Chorley would benefit from your generosity as well.

    The NAA ref for the A705 of AUS425644 Jack Byrne FLEMING RAAF, is:

    NAA: A705 166/13/236

    I suspect, from looking at the info in the Item Notes, that checking the Casualty Signal won't help. That's were the misinformation probably came from in the first place. Fleming's A705 should contain an 765C Accident Report, which would have a crew listing. Anything in the file relating to Fleming's death or identifying the crew would help.

    No need for reams of paper on this one, the basics - when, where & how are known. What we need is the 'Who'.

    No rush on this, at your leisure.

    Regards,

    Col.

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    No worries, I'll submit the view request later. It'll probably become available later next week.

    Adrian
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