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    Default SGT H.G POPPER 101 Sqn KIA 30/8/44

    I'm trying to identify the aircraft in which 2220929 Sgt Heinz George POPPER was flying when he was KIA 30/8/44. According to the CWGC his squadron is 101 Sqn, RAF Overseas War Deaths also lists him as belonging to 101 Sqn.

    I believe Sgt Popper was a specialist set operator, he was Jewish and is buried in MALMO Jewish Cemetery, Sweden.

    I believe he was a member of the crew of Lancaster LL757 101 Sqn who crashed in Sweden 29-30 August 1944, but Chorley 1944 book doesn't list him.

    Any experts on 101 Squadron.

    Any ideas

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    Mark

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    Hi Mark
    His name is not in Chorley Vol 9,Roll of Honour, either and in Vol 5 Chorley gives 3 101 losses with 2 crews buried in Helsingborg(Sweden) and 1 in Denmark but no-one in Malmo. Is there any possibility that despite his parents being recorded in UK(CWGC) he was in fact German and was known on the Sqn by another name.There was a tendency to be Security conscious about the Special ABC operators and burial in Malmo and acknowledgement of a "real" name could have been made post-war but would not be recorded on the CWGC website.
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    There was a detailed discussion about him on the old board:

    http://www.rafcommands.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=9633&forum=DCForumID 6&archive=yes

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    Marks:
    Chorley lists 8 on this a/c. One was likely your man under a made up identity. There were several Hungarians(Jewish) on 101 sq. as the ABC operators that had come on board at this time....G. Heilig,J.Herzog(changed to Hereford). This info from T.Boiten histories.
    This nite many causualties in Sweden....could anyone confirm that they were from Swedish guns? Victims included crews from Stetin(1 group) and Konigsburg(5 group) raids that were going on more or less simultaniously to disrupt supplies to the Russian front.
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    Default Sgt Heinz George Popper, 101 Sqn Special Duties Operator

    Morning folks,

    Sgt. Popper was the SDO on F/Lt William McLeod Stewart's crew. His real name was Popper.

    Gerhard Heilig is Austrian and unlike some other German and Austrian Jews who changed their names upon joining 101 as Specials he refused to do so. I saw him recently at 101's annual reunion in Lincoln and Ludford Magna. Stewart's daughter was also there.

    Joachim Herzog, a German Jew from Berlin, did change his name to "John Hereford" during his RAF service. He passed away just last month:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/12/13/db1301.xml

    Carin Olofsson, here in Sweden, has a webpage on Commonwealth casualties buried in southern Sweden:

    http://www.hembygdshistoria.se/palsjo/cw2.htm

    If memory serves me correctly P/O Pocock was flying his 2nd Dickey trip with the Stewart crew hence the nine casualties.

    Perhaps Greg can verify this from the 101 ORB?

    Dave

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    Hi Dave
    What was the source for the info that Popper was on board LL757? The problem is that Chorley records the loss ,and with 8 on board, but does not include Popper's name. The fact that Pocock(also on LL757) was a pilot becomes apparent on CWGC.Chorley does not record Popper in the Roll of Honour Vol 9 either ,nor does he mention Malmo as a burial place for any of them. This does leave those looking for Popper a little baffled.
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    Firstly thanks everyone for their interest. The book 'The Avro Lancaster by Francis K Mason, lists under Lancaster LL757 101 Sqn a Sgt H. PEPPER (POPPER) !

    What really interested me was how Sgt Pepper seems to be missing from Chorleys excellent books on Bomber Command. Is Popper listed in the 101 Sqn ORB ? Is Popper's name missing from the ORB ?

    Mark

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    Default Sgt Heinz George Popper, 101 Sqn Special Duties Operator

    Hi Dick,

    Popper is listed as part of the Stewart crew in Raymond Alexander's "Special Operations - 101 Squadron" published in 1979. The roster shows a crew of nine including P/O Pocock.

    I don't have the 101 ORB for August 1944. I was looking at July 1944's ORB which shows Popper as F/Lt. Stewart's SDO.

    Greg "Papa Cardiff" Harrison, aka the man who has "enhanced" most trains in Wales with 1 Group stickers has the 101 ORB for the entire war and will hopefully see this thread and let us all know what the ORB states for the night in question.

    Helsingborg is about 60 kms from Malmö. I don't see a Jewish cemetery listed for Helsingborg so it could just be that Malmö was the closest cemetery for Popper to be buried in according to his faith.

    Dave

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    Hi Dave
    Thanks for that. I haven't seen the source you used and those that I have available ,Chorley Vol5 and 9 simply don't record Popper at all, although Chorley normally indicates the Special Operators for 101Sqn losses. I'm sure you are right about the Cemetery, but again Chorley normally records it if he has the information. Somewhere along the line Heinz Popper has slipped through some of the nets and is not accorded the complete respect he deserves.
    Thanks Again
    Dick

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    Marks:
    I do hope you and others can fill in and post background of this missing airman. It is not likely many of relatives have been around to insure his place in this history. ABC was a great asset. Perhaps one of the surviving set operators could weigh in.
    Is there any info on how LL 757 and others were shot down or why so many ended up in Sweden? Ari

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