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    Default Loss off Spain

    My grandfather was killed in a Wellington that crashed in Spain on 5th December, all 7 crew members died. He is buried at RAF North Front Gibralta. The aircraft took off from Shawbury on a navigation training flight. I have no idea what the cause of the crash was and would be very interested to know what happened. Forgot to mention the year was 1950
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    What was your grandfathers name, for reference?

    it will help us track things down for you.

    this is from January that year, Flight magazine:
    8,000-mile Training Flight
    SIX aircraft of the K.A.F. Central Navigation School left Shawbury on January 24th for an 8,440-mile training flight to Khartoum, returning on January 31st. Navigated by students of the specialist navigation course, they were to fly by way of Gibraltar and Cyprus, and return via Malta. The longest stage of the flight, the 2,250 miles from Gibraltar to Nicosia, Cyprus, would take 11 hours and be flown at night to allow celestial navigation.

    http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive
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    Hello,

    SEVEN KILLED IN R.A.F. BOMBER CRASH -

    From our own Correspondent.

    MADRID, Dec 6.

    Seven bodies have been found amid the wreckage of an R.A.F. Wellington aircraft which crashed yesterday on Mongo peak, near Denia, when bound for Gibraltar on a training flight with four other aircraft.

    The Air Ministry has reported the following crew of the bomber as missing: Flight Lieutenant L.West, Flight Lieutenant R.J.Baker, Flight Sergeant E.Hanson, Master Navigator P.Pullan, Aircraftmen P.S.Thorne, N.Jones and R O Ouseley.

    See: The Times Thursday, Dec 7, 1950 p.4

    and...

    NEWS IN BRIEF.

    Seven members of the R.A.F. were buried at Gibraltar yesterday with military honours. They were killed when a Wellington bomber crashed in the mountains near Alicante during a thunderstorm on Tuesday.

    See: The Times. Monday, Dec 11, 1950 p.3

    Col.
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    Hi,

    According to `Last Take Off` Colin Cummings I can give the following:

    5 Dec 1950 Wellington MK T10 NA958 CNCS 38:47N 00:05E. Spain.

    The aircraft which was based at RAF Shawbury flew into high ground whilst en route from Istres to Gibraltar in very poor weather conditions. The aircraft was significantly off course and below safety height.

    F/LT LEONARD WEST. PILOT.
    M/Nav PTER PULLAR. DFM.
    F/LT ROBERT JAMES BAKER.
    F/SGT ERNEST HASOM.
    AC1 NEVILLE JONES.
    AC1 ROY OWEN OUSLEY.
    AC1 PETER FIELD THORNE.

    Regards
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    Hello,

    The Casualties.

    147516 F/Lt Leonard WEST 31 D.O.B. 21/11/19 Leeds,Yorkshire.
    1553033 W/O Peter PULLAR DFM 29 D.O.B. 8/5/21 Broughton Ferry,Angus.
    181521 F/Lt Robert James BAKER 25 D.O.B. 16/2/25 Bath Somerset.
    1130007 F/S Ernest HANSOM 28 D.O.B. 25/11/22 Llandudno,Caernarvonshire
    2443004 AC1 Neville JONES 19 D.O.B. 27/5/31 Merthyr Tydfil,Glamorgan.
    2443873 AC1 Roy Owen OUSELEY 19 D.O.B. 20/5/31 Shawbury,Shropshire.
    2447629 AC1 Peter Field THORNE 19 D.O.B. 3/6/31 Oswestry,Shropshire.

    All buried North Front Cemetery, Gibraltar.

    www.forcesmemorial.org.uk

    Col.
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    Thank you all your replies. My grandfather was F/S Ernest Hansom 11300007, from Llandudno. My grandmother was left a widow, heavily pregnant and already with three young children all under the age of 5.
    He was buried with full military honours at North Front

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    Default Mas información sobre el accidente

    Hola, soy Paco y vivo en Denia, te mando más información.
    Yo soy de Denia y te relato un poco lo que se. Denia es una población de la costa de España, para que te situes, es el punto más cercano a Ibiza, entre Denia y Xabia hay un monte de unos 650 metros de altitud llamado Montgó, según me han contado gente que estaban en Denia el 5-12-195O, a las 15 horas se oia el ruido de un avión, volar muy bajo aunque no se veia porque habia niebla ese dia y a partir de los 550 metros no se veia nada, seguido de un fuerte ruido. Imagina que en Denia en 1950 no habia ruido de vehiculos ni de nada, ya que Denia actualmente cuenta con 50.000 habitantes, pero en 1950, por decirte algo igual tenia unos 6.000 habitantes y no habian apenas vehiculos.
    Al parecer hasta el dia siguiente no pudieron localizar el avión, ya que habia niebla, cuando encontraron el avión, estaba calcinado como todos los ocupantes, menos uno que parece que salió despedido del habitaculo, no se cual. Parece ser que se estrelló por poco, ya que la niebla estaba a unos 550 metros y el monte solo tiene 650, creo. Despues la RAF donó el avión al ayuntamiento de Denia para pagar los gastos ocasionados, dos ambulancias de la RAF se llevaron los cuerpos a la Linea de la Concepción, limite con Gibraltar y allí parece que los enterreraron, puedes encontrar un poco más de información en YOUTUBE agenda local 21 de Denia. Te contesto porque queria más información del accidente y he puesto el apellido y nombre de tu abuelo en Google y ha salido este foro. Lo siento.

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    Hola, queria hacer una pregunta, cuando dicen más abajo que:
    "According to `Last Take Off` Colin Cummings I can give the following:
    5 Dec 1950 Wellington MK T10 NA958 CNCS 38:47N 00:05E. Spain."

    ¿Quien es Colin Cummings?, ¿Que significa MK T10? ¿CNCS?

    Grácias de antemano por su tiempo, soy un familiar de los que se encargaron de bajar los restos del avión del monte, le agradeceria cualquier tipo de información adicional, como fotografias del avión en cuestión o de las personas, que desgraciadamente fallecieron.

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    Paco,

    My apologies for not responding in the language in which you have posted.

    The Wellington T10 was the final version of the aircraft to be operated by the RAF. It was a bomber aircraft adapted to be a training aircraft used for both pilot and navigator training and in addition to new build Mark 10's, a version called the MK 19 was an in-service conversion to a similar standard. The aircraft served until about 1953 when is was replaced by either the Varsity or Valetta Mk 3.

    The unit designation CNCS stands for Central Navigation and Control School. This unit spent much of its life at RAF Shawbury, an airfield north of Shrewsbury in Shropshire.

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    Lo primero, muchas gracias por su tiempo y su información, no importa el idioma. Leyendo más abajo, I don’t understand that “last take off”.

    El avión se estrelló en el Montgó y las coordenadas donde ocurrió el accidente son 38.806N 0.139 E, las he sacado de Google maps; puede variar unos 50 metros, pero aun así no cambiaría mucho los números. Sin embargo, los datos que aparecen más abajo en la frase According to `Last Take Off` Colin Cummings I can give the following:
    5 Dec 1950 Wellington MK T10 NA958 CNCS 38:47N 00:05E. Spain.

    ¿De donde sacan 38:47N 00:05E?, porque el Wellington, nunca llegó a esa posición, ya que se estrelló antes. Según Google Maps, esa posición está en el mar sobrepasado ya el Montgó.
    Perdone tantas preguntas, pero el Wellington NA958, forma parte de nuestra historia, y no quiero que se olvide.

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