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    Hi

    Does anyone have any additional information on the following crash, i.e. the crew

    18.2.44 Mosquito HK225 from 151 Squadron, crashed during GCI practice, crashed 5 miles from RAF Colerne.

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    Hi, RAF serials by Air Britain:

    Flew into ground at night, 1 1/2 m N of Tormarton, Glos, 18.2.44.

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    CASUALTY DETAILS

    Name: JACQUES, DEREK EDWARD
    Initials: D E
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Sergeant (Nav.)
    Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
    Unit Text: 151 Sqdn.
    Age: 21
    Date of Death: 18/02/1944
    Service No: 1394475
    Additional information: Son of Albert Edward and Winifred Amy Jacques; husband of Doris Jacques, of Bexley.
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. E. Row 21. Grave 499.
    Cemetery: SIDCUP CEMETERY

    No details on pilot.

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    http://homepage.ntlworld.com/kelsey.family/1944.htm

    February 18

    F/Sgt Smith (U.S.A.A.C.) and Sgt Jacques were both killed when their aircraft crashed about six miles from Colerne

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    The name Derrick E JACQUES age 22 is registered dead in the Sodbury district in Gloucestershire 1944, Vol 6a pg 334

    No other Der* Jacques for that year.

    The only Smith in 1944 in Sodbury is an infant Ivy Smith. However, I don't beleive that American Deaths were recorded on British Civil Death registers during the war although his rank is RAF. Also no returns for Smyth.

    I don't think any Smiths come up for this date using G Sullivan search engine for CWGC
    http://www.hut-six.co.uk/cgi-bin/search39-47.php

    I'll try find an American airman elsewhere
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    Wings over Gloucestershire records 10601345 Sgt R Smith (American). killed, no mention of Jacques.

    Wings over Wiltshire records:

    "On Friday 18th February 1944 HK223 returning from a GCI practice, crashed 5.5 miles from Colerne. Tech/Sgt RA Smith USAAF and Sgt Derek E Jacques killed."

    As a point of interest, I believe that the minimum rank for pilot in the USAAF was warrant officer (flight officer) This suggests to me that Jacques was the pilot, but I stand to be corrected.

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    DaveW
    Last edited by davew; 10th December 2009 at 09:58. Reason: correction of a fact

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    Using that data I would thus suggest:

    T/Sgt Ruben A Smith Jr

    T SG Ruben A. Smith
    ID: 10601354
    Branch of Service: U.S. Army
    Hometown: Clairborne Parish, LA
    Status: DNB = Died Non Battle

    US Rosters of War time dead would suggest his remains were returned to Arkansas after the war.

    His enlistment record does give him as Army Air Corps

    ARMY SERIAL NUMBER 10601354 10601354
    NAME SMITH#RUBEN#A########### SMITH#RUBEN#A###########
    RESIDENCE: STATE 88 LOUISIANA
    RESIDENCE: COUNTY 027 CLAIBORNE
    PLACE OF ENLISTMENT 0921 Undefined Code
    DATE OF ENLISTMENT DAY 31 31
    DATE OF ENLISTMENT MONTH 08 08
    DATE OF ENLISTMENT YEAR 43 43
    GRADE: ALPHA DESIGNATION T#SG Technical Sergeant
    GRADE: CODE 3 Technical Sergeant
    BRANCH: ALPHA DESIGNATION AC# Air Corps
    BRANCH: CODE 20 Air Corps
    FIELD USE AS DESIRED # #
    TERM OF ENLISTMENT 5 Enlistment for the duration of the War or other emergency, plus six months, subject to the discretion of the President or otherwise according to law
    LONGEVITY ### ###
    SOURCE OF ARMY PERSONNEL 0 Civil Life
    NATIVITY 88 LOUISIANA
    YEAR OF BIRTH 21 21
    RACE AND CITIZENSHIP 1 White, citizen
    EDUCATION 7 3 years of college
    CIVILIAN OCCUPATION 992 Undefined Code
    MARITAL STATUS 6 Single, without dependents
    COMPONENT OF THE ARMY 6 Army of the United States - includes the following: Voluntary enlistments effective December 8, 1941 and thereafter; One year enlistments of National Guardsman whose State enlistment expires while in the Federal Service; Officers appointed in the Army of the United States under Army Regulations 605-10
    CARD NUMBER # #
    BOX NUMBER 0055 0055
    FILM REEL NUMBER 1.48# 1.48#
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    Cheers Guys, lots of information there.

    Sergeant Jacques is listed as being a navigator in the CWGC website, a bit of a mystery regarding the pilot Ruben Smith, I also assumed that he would either be a WO or commissioned officer to be a pilot in the USAAF. If he was in fact the navigator as has been suggested, would he still be required to have commissioned rank (if he was USAAF).

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    Hello,

    I'm just offering a suggestion. I think Ruben Smith may actually have crossed the border, joined the R.C.A.F. before Pearl Harbor, then trained as a NCO pilot.

    This or either been demoted for one reason or another (no offense intended).

    What do you think ?

    Joss

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    Glenn, you coudl contact RAF Hendon and request the Form 1180 and it hopefully will list a name as pilot, Smith or Jacques.

    I found him I think again listed with his parents in the 1930 census of America, name spelled slightly different

    Rubin A Smith Jr, son of Rubin A and Nellie Smith.

    Also, Glenn you could order Smith's individual Deceased Persons File from the US Army by emailing:
    foia.hrc@conus.army.mil

    request the IDPF for the man above under Freedom of Information rules. You may have to agree to pay a search fee when ordering that many IDPF.

    It will also take long time to hear back from them, 8 to 12 weeks or more.

    It will not deal with the crash but might give some clues as to his date and path of enlistment.

    And don't forget to post back here with anything new you learn.

    Dennis
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