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    I have some more discrepancies between two published books regarding Fighter Command pilots. Can anyone shed some light on which are correct please?
    Men of the Battle of Britain gives conflicting RAF numbers for the following:

    Sergeant Douglas Robert Steuart Bader 26151 (19 Sqn)
    Squadron Leader John Worrall 26151 (32 Sqn)

    Flying Officer Richard Edgar Peter Brooker 39931 (1, 56, 232 Sqns)
    Pilot Officer John Gordon Pattison 39931 (66, 266, 485 Sqns)

    Sergeant Frank William Curtis 74679 (25, 89 Sqns)
    Pilot Officer Donald Kennedy MacDonald 74679 (603 Sqn)

    Pilot Officer Nigel Leslie Digby Kemp 84941 (85, 242 Sqns)
    Pilot Officer John Munro Storie 84941 (607, 615 Sqns)

    Squadron Leader Michael Frederick Anderson 90209 (604 Sqn)
    Flight Lieutenant George Oliver Budd 90209 (604 Sqn)

    Squadron Leader Henry Maynard Mitchell 90246 (25, 125 Sqns)
    Squadron Leader Douglas Reginald Scott 90246 (306, 605, 616 Sqns)

    Pilot Officer Basil Gordon Collyns 391368 (19, 65, 222, 238 Sqns)
    Pilot Officer Michael Moray Shand 391368 (54, 485 Sqns)

    Sergeant Eric Debnam Baker 740005 (145 Sqn)
    Sergeant Eric Edward Lockton 740005 (236 Sqn)


    Pilot Officer William Armstrong 41812 (54, 74 Sqns):
    Died of wounds on 18th February 1943 or
    Killed 17th June 1941

    Also, Can anyone confirm the number for Sergeant David Hart of 600 & 74 Sqns as 740696
    And finally...What is Sergeant Peter Vigne Ayerst's number?

    Thanking all
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    Have you run the officers names and numbers through the London Gazette before we go and do that?

    It should narrow down most of them for you.

    http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/AdvancedSearch.aspx?GeoType=London
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    Sergeant Douglas Robert Steuart Bader 26151 (19 Sqn) CORRECT
    Squadron Leader John Worrall 26151 (32 Sqn) 26251

    Flying Officer Richard Edgar Peter Brooker 39931 (1, 56, 232 Sqns) CORRECT
    Pilot Officer John Gordon Pattison 39931 (66, 266, 485 Sqns) NZ39931

    Sergeant Frank William Curtis 74679 (25, 89 Sqns) 746769
    Pilot Officer Donald Kennedy MacDonald 74679 (603 Sqn) CORRECT

    Pilot Officer Nigel Leslie Digby Kemp 84941 (85, 242 Sqns) CORRECT
    Pilot Officer John Munro Storie 84941 (607, 615 Sqns) 84971

    Squadron Leader Michael Frederick Anderson 90209 (604 Sqn) 90206 (NOTE: No 'K' in Frederic)
    Flight Lieutenant George Oliver Budd 90209 (604 Sqn) CORRECT

    Squadron Leader Henry Maynard Mitchell 90246 (25, 125 Sqns) 90245
    Squadron Leader Douglas Reginald Scott 90246 (306, 605, 616 Sqns) CORRECT

    Pilot Officer Basil Gordon Collyns 391368 (19, 65, 222, 238 Sqns)NZ391342
    Pilot Officer Michael Moray Shand 391368 (54, 485 Sqns) NZ391368

    Sergeant Eric Debnam Baker 740005 (145 Sqn) 740057
    Sergeant Eric Edward Lockton 740005 (236 Sqn) CORRECT


    Pilot Officer William Armstrong 41812 (54, 74 Sqns):
    Died of wounds on 18th February 1943 or
    Killed 17th June 1941

    CWGC HAS 18/02/1943

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    Sergeant Peter Vigne Ayerst:

    He was commissioned at the outbreak of war so not a sergeant at the time of the BoB

    Commissioned number:41362

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    A search of the LG using the first name on the list and the serial, "Bader 26151" serves up a number of references to Robert Stewart BADER, D.S.O.,D.F.C. (26151). A similar search for "Worrall 26151" turns up none for S/L Worrall.
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    ** indicates the service number returned from London Gazette Search

    Sergeant Douglas Robert Steuart Bader 26151 (19 Sqn)
    ** Squadron Leader John Worrall 26251 (32 Sqn)

    Flying Officer Richard Edgar Peter Brooker 39931 (1, 56, 232 Sqns)
    ** Pilot Officer John Gordon Pattison 39931 (66, 266, 485 Sqns) he is a RNZAF airman, hence his number is the same, different air force, presented in offical documents as NZ39931

    ** Sergeant Frank William Curtis 74679 (25, 89 Sqns) - Too few digits for an NCO
    His DFM citation quotes:
    746769 Flight Sergeant Frank William CURTIS, Royal
    Air Force Volunteer Reserve, No. 89 Squadron.
    Flight • Sergeant Curtis has shown outstanding keenness and devotion to duty over a long period. He has taken part in the destruction of 4 enemy aircraft at night.

    Pilot Officer Donald Kennedy MacDonald 74679 (603 Sqn) - Correct per London Gazette

    Pilot Officer Nigel Leslie Digby Kemp 84941 (85, 242 Sqns)
    ** Pilot Officer John Munro Storie 84971 (607, 615 Sqns) 84971 per London Gazette.

    ** Squadron Leader Michael Frederick Anderson 90206 (604 Sqn) 90206 per LG
    Flight Lieutenant George Oliver Budd 90209 (604 Sqn)

    ** Squadron Leader Henry Maynard Mitchell 90245 (25, 125 Sqns) 90245 per the LG
    Squadron Leader Douglas Reginald Scott 90246 (306, 605, 616 Sqns)

    Pilot Officer Basil Gordon Collyns 391368 (19, 65, 222, 238 Sqns)
    ** Pilot Officer Michael Moray Shand 391368 (54, 485 Sqns) Again, a New Zealander NZ391368 per London Gazette Award
    Flight Lieutenant Michael Moray SHAND '(N.Z.
    391368), Royal New'Zealand Air Force, No.'485
    (N.Z.) [Squadron. .
    A skilful pilot and'a fearless leader this, officer has completed 60 sorties over Northern France.
    In low-level attacks against 'the enemy's transport he has achieved much success.


    These men can be checked easily on the CWGC site.
    http://www.cwgc.org/debt_of_honour.asp?menuid=14
    Sergeant Eric Debnam Baker 740057 (145 Sqn)
    Sergeant Eric Edward Lockton 740005 (236 Sqn)
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    S/Ldr. Worrall (26251) DFC citation, gazetted 6 Aug 1940.

    "This officer's splendid leadership has been reflected in the work of his squadron which has now destroyed forty-three enemy aircraft and possibly a further twenty-two. In July, 1940, he led his squadron in a successful attack against a superior number of enemy aircraft, and assisted in destroying three of the enemy force. Squadron Leader Worrall has displayed great skill, courage and leadership."
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    Hi

    Are you sure about 'Sergeant' Douglas Robert Steuart Bader, surely this is the famous legless Douglas Bader. I think it unlikely there were two D R S Baders, one an officer and one an NCO both called Douglas Robert Stewart (Steuart).

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    Just checked on my search for Bader and, yes, the LG has Steuart spelled incorrectly in a couple of listings.
    David

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    Thank you very much for the replies. I was unaware of the London Gazette being an online source, so thank you for that too.

    I am in the process of writing a book centred around RAF Rochford. As you might have gathered, I have several (no not several...lots) of questions relating to the squadrons that operated out of the airfield. Does anybody fancy a go with some answers?
    Thanking you
    spitsortie

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