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    I recently came across the details of S/L J.L SHAW RAF 515 Sqn KIA 6/6/44 buried Jonkerbos War Cemetery, Nijmegen Plot 17 Row C Grave 4. Buried in Grave 5 was his brother P/O R.E SHAW 53 Sqn KIA 26/5/1940 !

    Which made me wonder how many others brothers are buried together abroad !

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    Hi Mark

    not air force but a couple of weeks ago I came across to Maori brothers killed on the same day, in the same action and buried next to each other:

    Name: DOUGLAS, EDWARD
    Initials: E
    Nationality: New Zealand
    Rank: Private
    Regiment/Service: New Zealand Infantry
    Unit Text: 28th (Maori) Bn.
    Age: 25
    Date of Death: 20/04/1943
    Service No: 39047
    Additional information: Son of John and Adeline Douglas, of Ngongotaha, Auckland, New Zealand. His brother Joseph also fell.
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: VII. A. 11.
    Cemetery: ENFIDAVILLE WAR CEMETERY

    Name: DOUGLAS, JOSEPH
    Initials: J
    Nationality: New Zealand
    Rank: Private
    Regiment/Service: New Zealand Infantry
    Unit Text: 28th (Maori) Bn.
    Age: 23
    Date of Death: 20/04/1943
    Service No: 68040
    Additional information: Son of John and Adeline Douglas, of Ngongotaha, Auckland, New Zealand. His brother Edward also fell.
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: VII. A. 12.
    Cemetery: ENFIDAVILLE WAR CEMETERY

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    Marks, there is something else I found intriguing about this.
    515 Sqdn only lost 21 aircraft in its existence, but 2 were lost on 6th June 1944.
    S/L J L Shaw and also
    Name: BUTTERFIELD, WILLIAM RONALD
    Initials: W R
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Squadron Leader
    Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
    Unit Text: 515 Sqdn.
    Age: 23
    Date of Death: 06/06/1944
    Service No: 67056
    Awards: D F C, Mentioned in Despatches
    Additional information: Son of William and Elizabeth Blanche Butterfield, of Isle of Walney, Lancashire.
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 200.
    Memorial: RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL
    with
    Name: DREW, CORNELIUS STANLEY
    Initials: C S
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Sergeant
    Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
    Unit Text: 515 Sqdn.
    Age: 29
    Date of Death: 06/06/1944
    Service No: 1396993
    Additional information: Son of William Edward and Mary Drew; husband of Elsie Suzanne Drew, of Forest Hill, London.
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 228.
    Memorial: RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL
    (who I presume was his crewman).
    2 Squadron Leaders on 515 Sqdn killed the same day (D Day).
    Must be unusual in itself.
    I couldn't find another crewman, so perhaps S/L Shaws navigator escaped?
    All 3 of P/O Shaws Blenheim were killed.
    P/O RE Shaw – (pilot) Blen MIA 26/05/1940 RAF 42575
    Sgt Gordon L Schwind – (obs) MIA 26/05/1940 RAF 552935
    A2/Class AC Brogan – (w.op-gun) MIA 26/05/1940 RAF 552071
    These are both in Grave/Memorial Reference: Row A. Joint grave 9.
    Cemetery: WARNETON (WAASTEN) COMMUNAL CEMETERY
    It must have been some small comfort that somewhere in the CWGC the relationship between these 2 brothers was recognised and his brother (I assume) was moved from Warneton to rest next to his brother in this poignant way.

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    I visited the American Cemetery Henry Chapelle in Belgium two years ago and there are about 30 sets of brothers buried side-by-side and in one case even three brothers.

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    Hello,

    59 Squadron, Andover
    Reconnaissance Amiens - Hesdin - St-Pol:

    Blenheim R3613.

    Shot down and crashed near Warneton.

    P/O R. E. Shaw +
    Sgt G. L. Schwind +
    AC2 A. C. Brogan +

    Aircraft a write-off

    At the request of the family, Richard Shaw was reinterred post-war in Jonkerbos Cemetery in Nijmegen in the Netherlands, alongside his brother, S/L John Shaw killed on operations June 6, 1944.

    See:
    The Battle of France Then and Now.
    Cornwell,Peter D.
    Old Harlow:Battle of Britain Inter.Ltd.,2007
    p.372

    Col.
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    And another family tragedy:

    McCARTHY, Pilot Officer Morris Donald Darwin.
    NZ403976; b Wanganui 12 May 22; Wanganui TColl; clerical cadet - NZR, [Wanganui?]. RNZAF Levin/GTS as Airman Pilot u/t 27 Oct 40, 3EFTS 24 Nov 40, 2FTS 18 Jan 41, Pilots Badge [wef 3.5.41] & Comm 12 Apr 41, att RAF & emb for UK 29 Apr 41, 1 Depôt 2 Jun 41, 10OTU (Whitley) 7 Jun 41, 77 Sqn (Whitley - 14 ops) 29 Aug 41[att 1502BATF (Whitley) for c.1 wk late Oct], kao 27 Feb 42. Sage War Cemetery - 5.E.9, Oldenburg, Lower Saxony, Germany. Son of William Edward & Clara McCarthy (née Neilson), Mt Eden, Auckland. Note: The McCarthy family lost three sons in WWII, one with the RNZAF, another with the RAF (see next entry) and the third, Robert Colin McCarthy, in the 2NZEF in North Africa on 25.10.42. Their father had died in 1927. By special request of the mother her airman sons were buried together in the Sage War Cemetery. [phot. TWN 25.3.42].

    [Morris's aircraft crashed near Esens, 35km WNW of Wilhelmshaven, and he was first buried in the Esens Cemetery.]

    McCARTHY, Squadron Leader Raymond William.
    40239 (no No. in NZPAF/RNZAF); b Wanganui 7 Oct 12; Wanganui TColl; clerk - Mines Dept, Wanganui. NZPAF [redesignated RNZAF 27.2.34] Trentham as Aircraft Apprentice (Aero Engine Fitter) 8 Nov 29, Wigram 4 Jan 30, [Canty Aero Club as Pilot u/t by e.37], discharged on being selected for RAF SSComm 12 Jul 37; emb for UK 13 Jul 37, arr 22 Aug 37; RAF & to Sywell/6E&RFTS as Pilot u/t 24 Aug 37, SSComm [wef 24.8.37] & 1 Depôt 24 Oct 37, 5FTS 6 Nov 37, Pilots Badge 18 Feb 38 [att 5Arm Trg Stn in May], SAN [redesignated 1SAN Jun 40, then to Canada as 31ANS 12.10.40] for cse then as staff pilot 12 Jun 40, to Canada [with 31ANS?], ATFERO 9 Feb 41, crewed a Hudson from Newfoundland to UK 7 Mar 41, 25OTU (various a/c types) as staff pilot [Mar 41?] [att (No.?)BATF for c.1 wk in Oct 41], BCmd HQ on instr duties 22 Mar 42, 1651HCU (Stirling) Feb 43, 7 Sqn (Stirling - 9 ops) e.Mar 43, kao 15 Apr 43. Sage War Cemetery - 5.E.9, Oldenburg, Lower Saxony, Germany. Son of William Edward & Clara McCarthy (née Neilson), Mt Eden, Auckland. Note: see remarks under entry for his brother, Morris, above. [phot. TWN 30.6.43].

    [Raymond's aircraft crashed near the village of Lembach, 29km NNE of Stuttgart. He and his crew were first buried at nearby Oberstenfeld.]

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    Fascinating and tragic thread thank you everybody.

    S/L Shaws navigator was 1623168 Sgt Philip STANDLEY-SMITH RAFVR 6/6/44 Age 34 the CWGC list his squadron as 615 Sqn, he is buried at Jonkerbos Plot 17 Row C Grave 6 !

    Mark

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    Thanks all for the additional contributions.
    Looks like a CWGC typo of 615 Squadron instead of the correct 515 Squadron.
    I didn't take time to check other deaths that date, hoped the guy had survived!

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    Of course there is always this sad story

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sullivan_brothers

    I believe this is the idea behind the 'Saving Private Ryan' 'Sole Survivor' story

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    There are also brothers on Runnymede:

    AUSTIN S 101002 85 SQDN 31/10/1941
    AUSTIN J 109358 78 SQDN 24/08/1943

    The Fosters were twins:
    FOSTER AE 113416 630 SQDN 22/06/1944
    FOSTER AL 113415 61 SQDN 03/09/1942

    ROWELL D 1295543 172 SQDN 27/08/1944
    ROWELL N 755292 04/02/1941

    Though the Gnanamuthu brothers have been discussed before and it now seems certain that one is incorrectly entered on Runnymede, for now they are together:
    GNANAMUTHU BD - - 07/11/1941
    GNANAMUTHU AS - 32 SQDN 11/07/1941

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